Getting Started: Retro AI in P3Dv4\v5(and likely MS2020)

[chasensfo]

Hey guys,

New users are popping up and asking a lot of questions, which is great and very encouraged! However, the information is being convoluted as explanations are being given in random threads where few are going to be able to easily find it. As such, I have decided to start this thread where I will add links to models, relevant installers and applications, add-ons to enhance your AI, and even some retro scenery as more becomes available.

Many AI models have been upgraded since they were first converted to work in P3Dv4. The newer models have better details and often new features like implementing PBR lighting, dynamic lighting, and turning many of the lights into effects for better realism(which also means you'll need to replace the lightmap files one by one, sadly). I will try and provide links to the newest models I know of. Please post in this thread if there are dead links or you have something to contribute, or of course, questions.


Sounds:

AI sounds are easy to install and enhance your experience when you're near other aircraft. Here are some pages with free AI Sound downloads that even include tutorials for installation. Simply install the sounds as explained, then create an "aisound" folder in each of your aircraft folders with the notepad file linking to the name of the aircraft sound folder you wish to use from the many you download. For aircraft like the A320 with different variations, you may add folders called "sound.neo", "sound.iae", and "sound.cfm" and just have the sound notepad in each folder link to the desired sound. Then in your aircraft.cfg, add a line "soundai=??" replacing "??" with "neo", "ge", "cfm", "iae", "rr", ect. If you have a single sound folder, simply installing the "soundai" folder into the aircraft folder will suffice and you do not need individual entries.

Mavecreations

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Lighting:

There is a great product out there to enhance AI lighting. The free versions looks great, but does not have different variations. The payware version allows full customization, different lighting for LED equipped aircraft, and most other differences. Check out AI Lights Reborn.


Smoke Effects:

One of our own members FSMuseum has made awesome smoke effects for FS2004 which work great in P3Dv4. They provide effects for 4 engine jets, MD-80s, 737-200s, ect with several variations to best suite the aircraft you're installing them to. I will package them together with a tutorial and share them here soon.


Utilities:

The Super Traffic Board product is really almost mandatory if you wish to explore and enhance your AI world. Not only is it a very detailed system for tracking your AI, but it also allows you to delete aircraft instantly, force planes to land or depart on command if you wish to watch them or get them out of the way, and actually changes the ATC engine when active to make AI aircraft behave better. Visit their webpage here.

ModelConverterX is an essential tool for retro AI traffic in P3Dv4. This free tool allows you to convert aircraft models and scenery objects from FS2000-P3Dv3 into P3Dv4 64-bit format so that they show up in your simulator. Simply load in your aircraft model, and select "export" to save it as a P3Dv4 native model. I will eventually make a tutorial, and aircraft models that I have found to convert well are listed below. Sometimes, models will not convert properly unless the animations are also converted, which is very complicated.


Getting SODE Jetways to connect to AI aircraft

One modern addition to flight simulator that has made the game much more realistic is "SODE" technology. SODE ensures that jetbridges at add-on airports(and default with jetways) are animated and will meet your own aircraft(using CTRL+J) and automatically meeting AI aircraft as well. It is also possible for animated GSE(ground service equipment) to visit AI aircraft. Newer models should work automatically, but older aircraft will need a small edit to the aircraft.cfg file. For any aircraft that you find are not automatically met by SODE jet bridges, simply visit this thread on AIG and replace the [exits] section in the aircraft.cfg of your models with the values added in the AIG thread and save. Very simple, and while tedious, you only have to do it once and may then enjoy the added realism of jetways connected to your AI planes.


If you have a problem where older models converted work work with PBR lighting turn black in low light

Folks at AIG and elsehwere have done a great job converting models to P3Dv4 and also getting them to work with PBR, an advanced lighting system in P3Dv4\5 that creates instant effects with no FPS hit. However, in low light, some of the models may look totally black, as if the texture is missing. As this is obviously unrealistic, you can easily fix this by following the easy steps in this AIG thread. Simply find the file mentioned, open it in notepad, and replace the line with the text shown. That's it!


Retro Scenery

Here are links to some retro airports, compatibilty listed as not all will work in P3Dv4\5. Generally if it is FSX or newer scenery, it will often work OK in P3Dv4\5 but not always. If buildings do not display, they are 32bit and not 64bit and thus for FS2004\FSX-P3Dv3. To convert them, you need to open every object in Model Converter X then save it as a P3Dv4\5 object, if the files are set up in a way to allow that, and it should make the buildings appear. Another common issue is transparent ramp\taxiways, to fix this, open the ADEX file and select "Lists" from the top menu, then "Taxi Links". From the pop up menu, select "Reset all draw flags" and then re-compile over the original file. If there are still issues, watch a YouTube tutorial on creating airport polygons and try re-creating it. If all else fails, it will be an advanced airport to convert so the scenery will likely never work unless someone with a specific skill set decides to do so.

LGAT - Athens - (Works in FSX-P3Dv3, needs conversion work for v4)
ENFB - Oslo - (P3Dv4 native)
VHHX - Hong Kong Kai Tak (P3Dv4\5 native)
FADN - Durban (FSX-P3Dv3, appears to work well in v4)
RKSS - Seoul - (FSX-P3Dv3, appears to work well in v4)
CalClassics 1950s-1970s airport scenery (most FS9\FSX native, some converted for P3Dv4+)
KCLC - Clear Lake City (FS9 native)
KMQT - Marquette County Airport (FS9 Native)
KNCF - NAS Chase Field (FS9 native)
XDEN - Denver Stapleton 1980s\90s layout (FSX Native)
ZSSS - Shanghai Hongqiao 1980s-2000s layout (FSX native)

My retro scenery and retro backdates of various freeware and payware airports (P3Dv4\5 native)


Retro Flightplans

Retro flightplans are a bit scattered, uploaded in many places. However from the 1920s thru present day, there are many airlines to choose from. I have created a tutorial video of how to install flightplans from different years as scenery, the same as you would with airports, and then you can switch between years by just activating and deactivating the AI traffic folder of with the years of traffic you want in your scenery library. That way, you can install any year you are interested in, including modern-day, and quickly switch between them.

One good source is to go to www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php?do=displaysearch or library.avsim.net/ and search the FS2002, FS2004, FSX, and P3D "Flightplans" sections for the year you are looking for. Most will be uploaded as either FS2004 or FSX flightplans, but some will be posted as P3D or FS2002 flightplans as well. Even then, some authors like Eduardo Villanueva and myself have uploaded flightplans as "packages" with repaints, so they are in the reapaints section. As such, you may also search all sections at once instead of just 1 flightplan section and type (in quotations) "Flightplans 1998" for example. Then do it again with "Flight Plans 1998", or whatever year. I have found this an effective method.

Various users here have made flightplans for different eras, and while most users try to organize the plans into one location, the Retro AI forums have hundreds of plans scattered about not uploaded elsewhere. To find those, go to to this flightplans section of the Retro AI forums. Then, on the top right, enter in the search box the airline you are looking for, the year, or both. As this will automatically bring up both posts and threads, you can do an advanced search using the main search function button at the top of each page on the Retro AI forums and search in "Thread Titles Only". But as many airlines are posted in the same thread sometimes, you may need to try both to find what you are looking for.


Here are the better-organized flightplans by various members here, where you will find a lot of what you are looking for:

747sp flightplans: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1YCR0MI-T30s2yEquRZLLiKZInVHGTStm (various years, mostly 90s)

pedrornunes96 flightplans: app.box.com/s/wje9rr2jxuios0orwetzxcvlqc21u57t/folder/8060684457 (90s)

sierraair flightplans: retroai.proboards.com/thread/4258/brians-summer-1983-ai (1983)

cgold flightplans: retroai.proboards.com/thread/4593/random-cargo-airline-fps (mostly cargo airlines 80s-2000s, he also has very many posted in in the flightplans section as individual threads)

naunaub flightplans: drive.google.com/drive/folders/13GtnQWAGz2CumJhj6YQru9t-yp2bY4FS (late 90s Europe)

perficad flightplans: retroai.proboards.com/thread/4932/winter-1979-1980-flightplan-project (1979/80)

jetstar flightplans: retroai.proboards.com/thread/966/available-flightplans (various years, mostly 80s and 90s)

aleck flightplans: retroai.proboards.com/thread/273/new-retro-flightplans (various years, including global flightplans for several years in the 70s, 80s, and 90s)

Project AI archived flightplan + repaint packages: web.archive.org/web/20040204014605/http://projectai.com/certified/installers.php (mostly 2000s, repaints are all on ancient PAI models, only very few like the BAe ATP and Jetstream are still relevant today. Requires that you install the PAI installer.)

MRAI Summer 2003 global flightplans: www.dropbox.com/s/1pfcynhzzq2j680/release_summer03.zip?dl=0 (all MRAI files hosted by Jason)

MRAI Winter 2003\2004 global flightplans: www.dropbox.com/s/y4ctg07nsimxlc3/release_winter03_04.zip?dl=0

MRAI Summer 2004 global flightplans: www.dropbox.com/s/modndtb76gvvwff/release_summer04.zip?dl=0

MRAI Winter 2004\2005 global flightplans: www.dropbox.com/s/p8a2gq9skzgrul1/release_winter04_05.zip?dl=0

Alpha India Group (AIG) flightplans: www.alpha-india.net/aigfiles/files/Flightplans/ (2008 to present-day global traffic)

My Flightplan files: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/0B44VcEgVwXmbdWVHOFM2VUNMY1U?resourcekey=0-ptOpoOV_TExBkpSyMrcMmg (mostly 1990s, including all 1998 project airlines and flightplans by other bayviationsim members)


Installation of Flightplans

For now, all flightplans on this site require installation. In the future, an installer will be developed for the 1998 Project files, and I do intend to extend that to the other AI flightplans in the future. But this may take years. For now, I have made 2 tutorials on manual installation of flightplans:

Here is a 27 minute video covering the installation of the 1998 project flightplans and issues you may encounter. This video will also teach you how to install most flightplans on this site as well:




Here is a longer video, just under an hour, that will show you in depth how to install flightplans with no listed repaints which require forming them "from scratch". This video covers most of the same content as the shorter video, but in more detail and is sure to make you master this process:




Converting FS2004 or FSX Native Textures to P3D

It is very simple and requires the free program DXT.bmp, which I have linked to in the description of this tutorial:




PBR Textures:

I have made a video teaching users how to update old FS2002 thru P3Dv3 models for P3Dv4\5 using the links below, including how to update models with new PBR lighting features:



There is more information in this thread: retroai.proboards.com/thread/4795/updating-fs2002-p3dv3-models-installing


AI Models


Aircraft type links to the base model. FSX\P3Dv4 model will be included next to the aircraft if applicable. Note that you must create a free account at AIG to download many of these files. Other models that do not have official conversions but appear to convert well with ModelConverterX are noted. Other files are included via the AIG One Click Installer(just install an airline that flies that aircraft and the model will end up in your simulator) or via the ORBX AI package. If you don't see the model here, I haven't gotten to it yet or there is no public conversion as far as I know and the aircraft does not convert automatically with MCX.

Here is a quick tutorial on converting models with ModelConverterX:



ACAI
Cessna Citation CJ3 (P3Dv4)

AI Aardvark AIA
717 (P3Dv4)
727-100 (P3Dv4)
727-200 (P3Dv4)
737MAX8 (P3Dv4)
737MAX9 (P3Dv4)
737-200 (P3Dv4)
737-300 (Converts well with ModelConverterX but has flight model issues and often flies erratically)
737-300v2 (P3Dv4)
737-400 (Converts well with ModelConverterX)
737-400v2 (P3Dv4)
737-500 (Converts well with ModelConverterX)
737-500v2 (P3Dv4)
737-600 (P3Dv4)
737-700 (P3Dv4)
737-800 (P3Dv4)
737-900 (P3Dv4)
747-200 (P3Dv4- PW only, use ModelConverterX for others)
747-300 (P3Dv4- PW only, use ModelConverterX for others)
747-400 (P3Dv4- GE only, use ModelConverterX for others)
747-400LCF Dreamlifter (P3Dv4)
757-200 (P3Dv4)
757-300 (P3Dv4)
767-200 (P3Dv4)
767-300\767-300 Winglets (P3Dv4)
767-400 (P3Dv4)
CL-215 (P3Dv4)
DC-9-30 (P3Dv4)
DC-9-50 (P3Dv4)
EMB-120 (P3Dv4)
E170 (P3Dv4)
E175 (P3Dv4)
E190 (P3Dv4)
E195 (P3Dv4)
Fokker 70 (P3Dv4)
Fokker 100 (P3Dv4)
MD-80 (P3Dv4)
MD-87 (P3Dv4)
MD-90 (P3Dv4)

AIG
An-124
Do-328
Do-328Jet
757-200
757-300
CRJ-700 (P3Dv4)
CRJ-900 (P3Dv4)
DC-9-10\20
DC-9-30
DC-9-40
DC-9-50
PC-12

AIM
CRJ-200 (P3Dv4 Model available by installing any airline flying this type with the AIG One Click Installer)
ERJ-135\140\145 (P3Dv4 Model available by installing any airline flying this type with the AIG One Click Installer)
DC-10-10\30 (you will have to edit textures in photoshop to get them to work on the cargo model, I'll make a tutorial. Alternatively, they do convert well with ModelConverterX, but some of the animations won't work) (P3Dv4 Model available by installing any airline flying this type with the AIG One Click Installer)

ARNZ
Concorde (P3Dv4)

CDAI
L-1011-500 (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)

CIS
An-24 (P3Dv4)
An-26 (P3Dv4)
An-30 (P3Dv4)
An-32 (P3Dv4)
MA-60\Y7 (P3Dv4 native)
Yak-42 (P3Dv4)

CPAI (chrisP 's models)
Carvelle (All models)
Convair CV-240
Convair CV-340
Convair CV-440
Convair CV-580
Convair CV-600
Convair CV-640
DC-3
DC-4
DHC-3 Otter
Fokker FH-227 (P3Dv4 for all Fokker 27 models)
Fokker F.27 Mk100
Fokker F.27 Mk200
Fokker F.27 Mk500
Handley Page Herald
Handley Page Heron Srs1
Avro\BAe HS748 (P3Dv4)
L-188 Electra
Nord 262
Vickers Viscount 700 (updated model)
Vickers Viscount 800 (updated model)

David Maltby AI DMAI
Bac1-11-400\500 (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)

DJC
A318 (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)
A319 (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)
A320 (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)
A321 (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)
BAe Jetstream 41 (P3Dv4)
Bombardier Global Express (P3Dv4)
Metroliner (P3Dv4)

EVAI
A319\320\321 (all textures work with DJC models, which also convert better to P3Dv4\5. Recommended that you rename the textures to DJC standard and use those models)
DC-10-40 (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)

DWAI
All base models may be downloaded here. Models converted to P3Dv4 linked below:
Bac 1-11 (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)
Cessna 310Q, Cessna 310R, Cessna Citation II, Convair CV580, de Havilland Dash 7, Douglas DC-8-12, Douglas DC-8-52, Douglas DC-8-61, Douglas DC-8-62, Douglas DC-8-71, Embraer 110, Fokker 27, Hawker Siddeley HS 748, Lockheed Jetstar, Piper PA-31-325 Navajo, Piper PA-32R-300 Lance (P3Dv4)
L-1011-100\300 (P3Dv4)

FAIB
Download all basepacks here for the following aircraft:
A318
A319
A320
A321
737-200
737-300
737-400
737-500
737-600
737-800
737-900
747-100
747-200
747-300
747-400
747-8i
767-200
767-300
767-400

FMAI
BAe-146
Do-228
Fokker 28 (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)

FS Painter FSPX(High-detail Payware)
737MAX7\737MAX8\737MAX9
777-200\777-200LR\777-300\777-300ER
787-8\787-9\787-10
A220-100\A220-300
A320NEO
A330-200\A330-300
A330 Beluga
A330NEO
A340-200\A340-300\A340-500\A340-600
A350-900\A350-1000
A380
MD-11 (this one is freeware!) (PBR update for P3Dv4+ here)

HTAI
All Basemodels may be downloaded here. P3Dv4 conversions below:
B1900C\B1900D (P3Dv4)
Beachjet 400 (P3Dv4)
BN-2 (P3Dv4)
C-130\L100 (P3Dv4)
Cessna 141 (P3Dv4)
Cessna 172 (P3Dv4)
Cessna 208 (P3Dv4)
Cessna 402\404\414\421) (P3Dv4)
DHC-6 (P3Dv4)
Gulfstream GII\GIV\GV (P3Dv4)
Hawker HS125 (P3Dv4)
Kingair A100\B200\C99\F90 (P3Dv4)
Learjet 23\24\25\31\35 (P3Dv4)
Shorts SD330\SD360 (P3Dv4)
Westwind 1124 (P3Dv4)

JBAI
Bac 1-11-500 (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)
Challenger CL-600 (P3Dv4)
Do-328 (P3Dv4)
Learjet Family (Converts with ModelconverterX with animation issues, this thread explains how to fix some of the errors after conversion)
Learjet 60 (P3Dv4 - v1 model only, v2 paints will not work without conversion)

JMAI
DC-6AB (P3Dv4)

JYAI
Kingair BE350 (P3Dv4)

Makc-Sim
AN-38 (P3Dv4)
YAK-40 (P3Dv4)

Mehlin Rainer AI MRAI
A300-600ST Beluga (P3Dv4)

Mike Cronin AI MCAI
Harbin Y-12 (P3Dv4)

His Majesty Michael Pearson's AI MPAI
C-46 Commando (P3Dv4)

NAAI
Fokker 50 (P3Dv4)

OSP
ATR-42-300 (P3Dv4)
ATR-42-400 (P3Dv4)
ATR-42-500 (P3Dv4)
ATR-72-200 (P3Dv4)
ATR-72-210 (P3Dv4)
ATR-72-500 (P3Dv4)

PAI
BAe ATP (P3Dv4)
JS-31\32 (P3Dv4 Model available by installing any airline flying this type with the AIG One Click Installer)

PHAI
IL-18 (P3Dv4 Model available by installing any airline flying this type with the AIG One Click Installer)

RATS
IL-76 (P3Dv4)
IL-86 (P3Dv4)
IL-96-300 (P3Dv4)

Raven FS Labs RFSL
CRJ-700
CRJ-900
CRJ-1000
E170
E175 Old Winglets
E175 New Winglets

SBAI
A220-100
A220-300
An-8 (P3Dv4 native)
An-12 (P3Dv4)
An-140 (P3Dv4)
An-148 (P3Dv4)
An-158 (P3Dv4)
Beech Premire IA (P3Dv4)
IL-12
IL-14
IL-38
Tu-204 (P3Dv4)
Y-7 (P3D native) (Update)
Y-8 (P3D native)

SGAI
Falcon 20 Series (P3Dv4)

SGD
IL-114 (P3Dv4)

SKJ
AN-12 (P3Dv4) (P3Dv4 Model avilible by installing any airline flying this type with the AIG One Click Installer)
Tu-154 (P3Dv4)

TBAI
Aero Commander 690
PA-31 Chieftain

TCAI
IL-62 NK-8 engines (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)
IL-62 NK-8-4 engines (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)
IL-62M (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)
IL-62\IL-62M (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)
Tu-154A\B (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)
Tu-154M (Appears to convert fine with ModelConverterX)

The Fruit Stand TFS
777-200 (P3Dv4)
777-200LR (P3Dv4)
777-300 (P3Dv4)
777-300ER (P3Dv4)
A300 (P3Dv4)
A310 (P3Dv4)
A330-200 (P3Dv4)
A330-200F (P3Dv4)
A330-300 (P3Dv4)
A340-200 (P3Dv4)
A340-300 (P3Dv4)
A340-500 (P3Dv4)
A340-600 (P3Dv4)
A380 (P3Dv4)
DHC-8-100\200 (P3Dv4)
DHC-8-300 (P3Dv4)
DHC-8-400 (P3Dv4)
Saab 100 Argus (P3Dv4)
Saab 340 (P3Dv4)
Saab 2000 (P3Dv4)

UTT
747-8i
787-8 (P3Dv4)
787-9 (P3Dv4)
787-10 (P3Dv4)
CRJ-1000
Superjet 100
YAK 40 (P3Dv4 native)


Airline textures

All the 1998\1999 project flightplans have links to all known repaints and are updated when more are completed, but many of my older 90s flightplans along with most others on this site do not include links. So until there is an installer which will download them off the web for you, you'll have to hunt them down. If you really want to help out, feel free to necro-post if flightplans have their own thread with repaint links to help everyone else out, and to help us making the installer out as well. Here are popular links to retro airline textures, which are updated from time to time so check back sometimes. If they are not in any of these sources, you can always search www.avsim.net or www.flightsim.com. Many of these textures will be for FS2004 and require a simple conversion, and I have noted the ones likely to be in this format:

ranmori textures: ranmori.mixh.jp/wp/ and also here: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1Ljc5yAUJSGnbhbA-jjdXiimn3kCWU1a1 (mostly 90s Japan\Asia\Europe)

cgold textures: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1Ljc5yAUJSGnbhbA-jjdXiimn3kCWU1a1 (Mostly 80s, 90s, and 2000s Eastern European, Soviet, Cargo, 707s some vintage props, and more, FS2004 format)

mikeblaze Avsim textures: library.avsim.net/search.php?CatID=root&SearchTerm=michael+pearson&Sort=Added&ScanMode=0&Go=Change+View (worldwide 70s-2010s, older stuff is FS2004 format)

Jason: retroai.proboards.com/thread/4577/jasons-crappy-repaint-assorted-nonsense and his Avsim textures: library.avsim.net/search.php?SearchTerm=%22jason+king%22&CatID=root&Go=Search (DC-10\DC-8\707\727 carriers and many other 70s-2000s, FS2004 format)

@eduardo86 Avsim textures: library.avsim.net/search.php?CatID=root&SearchTerm=eduardo+villanueva&Sort=Added&ScanMode=0&Go=Change+View (90s North America\Europe mostly, FS2004 format)

chrisP: www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php?searchid=83246824 (60s-80s lots of vintage props, FS2004 format)

FSMuseum library.avsim.net/search.php?CatID=root&SearchTerm=chris+gorodetzky&Sort=Added&ScanMode=0&Go=Change+View (70s-90s North American repaints mostly, FS2004 format)

@brianw: brians-retro-ai.com/ (worldwide 70s-80s)

Jonathan Alba: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1TEGJ7GsMoLQv53f1erdqGPX6BPZspe1D (Brazilian and South American) and his paints for piper: retroai.proboards.com/thread/4757/90s-decade-missing-repaints and some in threads here: retroai.proboards.com/user/286/recent_threads

pedrornunes96: app.box.com/s/wje9rr2jxuios0orwetzxcvlqc21u57t/folder/4853020577 (various 80s\90s carriers, FS2004 format)

linguistpilot: www.dropbox.com/sh/m5w0xcwvt58tdwc/AACvtvsfLu7m5KxuhnLY96bVa?dl=0 (various 80s\90s carriers, FS2004 format)

mh88 retro paints: www.juergenbaumbusch.de/?cat=143 (mostly European 80s-2010s)

funk: app.box.com/v/7funk (various 80s\90s carriers, FS2004 format)

747sp: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1BNTJ1_Li-mCRLaZgxegA7kADSvPqGNjv (African and other various 80s\90s carriers, FS2004 format)

@bensplanes: retroai.proboards.com/thread/4765/bens-paints (mostly 90s-2000s North American)

@nilssss: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1xfEJWbBtUiiOyf2A6Mi7U9SkoG1qZqC7 (Mostly 90s-2010s France\Europe)

skyteam: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1FI5wFvUehhM7MZYgHTL6cprtNDZ33qag (90s-80s Europe)

luisfvillani: retroai.proboards.com/thread/4614/luisfvillani-repaint-links (80s-2000s Brazil)

trident777: retroai.proboards.com/user/576/recent_threads (60s-80s worldwide, FS2004 format)

bbb747: retroai.proboards.com/thread/4096/various-naai-b707-retro-repaints (707s FS2004 format)

spermofzeus: retroai.proboards.com/thread/4517/seans-aussie-repaints-80s (70-80s Australia, FS2004 format)

peterliddell: www.simlivery.com/AI/ (Mostly North\South America 70s\80s FS2004 format)

777jafo: retroai.proboards.com/thread/3910/80s-repaints (80s commuter airlines, FS2004 format)

d: retroai.proboards.com/user/204/recent_threads (1970s-80s, FS2004 format)

garko: app.box.com/s/n73j5xpcl0ciyc4o5cb4 (70s-80s, FS2004 format)

xtcgo2: retroai.proboards.com/thread/4713/xtcgo2s-fs9-paint-attempts?page=1&scrollTo=27185 (80s US\European commuter airlines)

Alexandre Alves Avsim files: library.avsim.net/search.php?CatID=root&SearchTerm=alexandre+alves&Sort=Added&ScanMode=0&Go=Change+View (mostly 90s-2000s South American\European)

Joakim retro paints: sites.google.com/view/joakimsfs/ai-retro-repaints?authuser=0 (Mostly Nordic 90s-2000s)

Ryan Carson Retro Repaints: fsai-repaints.com/?cat=189 (mostly North American 90s-2010s)

Alejandro Retro Repaints: www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=33422.0 (1990s European)

Johan Clausen Retro Repaints: www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=33416.0 (Mostly Nordic 90s-2000s)

Gideon Retro Repaints: www.alpha-india.net/forums/index.php?topic=33416.0 (1970-2010s Caribbean)

Billy Rutherford Avsim files: library.avsim.net/search.php?CatID=root&SearchTerm=billy+rutherford&Sort=Added&ScanMode=0&Go=Change+View (90s-2010s worldwide)

Chris Reed: app.box.com/s/36gar779tk3ybwco121w8vd0pahjqw1t (1990s US and European 737s, Airbuses, DHC-8-300s)

Frank Severino Avsim files: library.avsim.net/search.php?CatID=root&SearchTerm=frank+severino&Sort=Added&ScanMode=0&Go=Change+View (70s-2010s DC-10s, IL-62s, many others worldwide, FS2004 format)

Impulse AI (USA): www.impulseai.com/usa.html (90s-2000s, FS2004 textures)

Impulse AI (Europe): www.impulseai.com/europe.html (90s-2000s, FS2004 textures)

Impulse AI (The rest of the world): www.impulseai.com/other.html (90s-2000s, FS2004 textures)

Jim Martin Avsim files: library.avsim.net/search.php?CatID=root&SearchTerm=jim+martin&Sort=Added&ScanMode=0&Page=14&Go=Go (mostly US\Europe 90s-2010s, link is the last page\oldest files which are more retro so you need to go backwards when browsing, FS2004 native)

John Massey Avsim files: library.avsim.net/search.php?SearchTerm=%22John+Massey%22&CatID=fs2004&Go=Search (90s-2000s worldwide, FS2004 native)

Bjoern Retro Repaints: sites.google.com/site/fsxstuffbybk/retroai/repaints?authuser=0 (80s USA\European FS2004 format)

My own repaints and those of people who gave me permission to host: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/0B44VcEgVwXmbcUd1NkpxUFJ6UXc (90s-2000s worldwide)

[eth72s]

Thanks, Chasen, for this very useful info. BTW, what is the problem with X-Plane, that nobody (?) in our community wants to handle with?

[chasensfo]

Well, the long story short is that while X-Plane has it's perks, the airports/ATC in X-plane just aren't as realistic as P3Dv4. The AI planes crab in the wind, are lit up well by the in-game lighting, ect. But, at the end of the day, the AI just didn't look "quite right".

We didn't announce it, but ranmori spent some time loading P3D models into X-Plane, putting in AI filling up Kai Tak, ect. In the end, the result wasn't enough to motivate him to continue. If there was enough interest, I'd have no problem converting files for X-Plane use. Currently, X-Plane 11 is uninstalled from my PC. X-Plane is superior for flying light GA aircraft I think, but not very good for IFR\Airline flying and AI spotting.

[eth72s]

Thanks. All I need to know about AI in XP.👍

[smiley]

Thank you for this list and understand that not finished.
Does anyone know where I can get the following for P3Dv4?

1. BAC 1-11 (asked a few days ago but still cannot find a P3Dv4 workaround).
2. Tristar any series.
3. DC10-30. You can use the ones done by AIG OCI method but seem to be only cargo models not passenger.
4. Trident series

Look forward to hearing if anyone can help.

Cheers Miles.

[chasensfo]

The Bac 1-11 IS completed, for both DWAI and DMAI models, I'll post them when I find them again. I think they may have been deleted from AIG, I think AIG is where I had found them.

I have updated the list to link to the DWAI L-1011, while the CDAI converts with ModelConverterX. The AIM DC-10 leaves you two options; 1) Modify the textures in photoshop to work with the cargo model(I'll make a tutorial) and 2) Convert it with modelcovnerterX and accept that the nosewheel doesn't turn, engines don't spin, ect.

There is no Trident yet.

[smiley]

Thankyou so much and the fact you could not find the 1-11 on AIG means I am not going mad. Would love those files if you could find them. Trident were nearly at an end so my BA can be 732/1-11 substitutes.

Cheers

Miles

[chasensfo]

Dec 12, 2019 19:42:13 GMT -5 smiley said:

Thankyou so much and the fact you could not find the 1-11 on AIG means I am not going mad. Would love those files if you could find them. Trident were nearly at an end so my BA can be 732/1-11 substitutes.

Cheers

Miles

Actually, it looks as though my converted Bac 1-11 models were converted with ModelConverterX myself. I have the DWAI, DMAI, and JBAI models all working simply by saving the model in P3Dv4 format.

[Deleted]

Thank you Chas I only wish this kind of user info had been available when I started out wayback,FS98.In fact It would help a lot now if they knew where to look.Excuse me as I have just come out of a so called hospital + 2 heart attacks.Blessings on all.

[chasensfo]

Dec 15, 2019 10:03:38 GMT -5 @pklitofsky said:

Thank you Chas I only wish this kind of user info had been available when I started out wayback,FS98.In fact It would help a lot now if they knew where to look.Excuse me as I have just come out of a so called hospital + 2 heart attacks.Blessings on all.

WOW! Are you OK now? That's terrible news, I'm very sorry you've had such a rough few years. I hope this retro traffic will help distract you a bit. I do advertise RetroAI on all my uploads to Avsim, Facebook, and AIG hoping it will draw interest to these forums and I hope that this thread is a good resource for those starting out.

I am working to make all my files, but primarily the 1998 files for now, to work with Alpha India Group's "One Click Installer"(OCI) so that users interested in retro traffic may install flightplans, liveries, and models with instant ease as is the case with modern traffic. The difficulty is the models that do not have permission for being converted and shared publicly. However, seeing as AIG was able to obtain some of those models already to work with OCI, perhaps in the future they will obtain some more like the PAI ATP and what not and the retro world can be easily populated. I've decided that working with AIG to use their existing and well-known installer would be a better idea than developing our own.

[smiley]

Smart idea working with AIG files. Going to start the process of using Model Convertor X this weekend for the 1-11 files and missing DC10 files. Mostly my 1983 models are complete. Will experiment though.

Thanks again for what you are doing.

Cheers

Miles

[chasensfo]

Updated a lot of model links and added some scenery links as well. I know there is an old ZGGG scenery out there for FSX but I'm not sure where I got it.

[bbb747]

Hello,
Anyone know where I can find a NAAI B707 converted model compatible with p3d v4/5 ?

[deltalima]

Hi, newbie to RetroAI, though not to FS (been simming since FS98 or thereabouts).

Thanks for this great summary of models. Building a 70s era retro environment - so this models list is excellent.

My question is around repaints for AIA models, specifically the 727s. I note the P3DV4 packs, but will they readily accept the FS9 repaints on avsim? The ones I'm after (eg: Pan AM, CP Air, etc.) were done many years ago for FS9. Will these work on the P3DV4 models? Will I experience a big hit in FPS using bmp based paints? I suppose I could learn to convert all those FS9 textures to DDS format, but that'd be a lot of work.

Thoughts on those FS9 repaints?

Thanks,

dl

[noob21]

Jan 4, 2021 3:33:19 GMT -5 deltalima said:

Hi, newbie to RetroAI, though not to FS (been simming since FS98 or thereabouts).

Thanks for this great summary of models. Building a 70s era retro environment - so this models list is excellent.

My question is around repaints for AIA models, specifically the 727s. I note the P3DV4 packs, but will they readily accept the FS9 repaints on avsim? The ones I'm after (eg: Pan AM, CP Air, etc.) were done many years ago for FS9. Will these work on the P3DV4 models? Will I experience a big hit in FPS using bmp based paints? I suppose I could learn to convert all those FS9 textures to DDS format, but that'd be a lot of work.

Thoughts on those FS9 repaints?

Thanks,

dl

I think P3Dv4/5 require .DDS files(don't quote me on that) as opposed to bitmaps. Conversion is fairly easy, just throw bitmaps into DXTBMP, and put it in your editing software of choice(Paint.NET, Photoshop, Gimp, etc.), flip the image vertically, load it back into DXTBMP, and save as a .DDS. From there, it should be good to use in P3Dv4/5, provided the model is also compatible.