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FREE 1996 / 1997 Flightplan Project Dec 21, 2022 3:02:37 GMT -5 aleck, funk, and 5 more like this

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Post by chasensfo on Dec 21, 2022 3:02:37 GMT -5

Because free is better. Who would have thought that a 1996/1997 project had been going on for almost 20 years already? Go figure.

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FREE 1996 / 1997 Flightplan Project Dec 21, 2022 4:33:39 GMT -5 747sp likes this

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Post by chasensfo on Dec 21, 2022 4:33:39 GMT -5

\\Newair Airservice 1996

Newair Airservice (1973-2003)
IATA: WA
ICAO: NAW
CALLSIGN: NEWDAN

Newair was a Danish commuter, charter, and cargo airline based in Billund (BLL). The airline started life as a small commuter and charter carrier using light props but began scheduled passenger flights in 1987 with an EMB-110 Bandeirante with flights to the UK. In 1988, the airline acquired 4 early model Handley Paige Jetstreams for use on Nordic and English commuter routes, replacing the EMB-110 which was sold to Sun Air of Scandinavia in 1990. At the same time, the airline retired one of the Jetstreams to be used for spare parts. A Metroliner was added to the fleet in October of 1991, but only flew with Newair for 5 months before being sold to Danish Air Transport (DAT). The 4 Handley Page Jetstreams served the airline until 1995, when they were retired and stored in Esbjerg (EBJ) in favor of newer BAe Jetstream 31s which began arriving in 1992, along with a Fokker 27 for ad-hoc charters and sub-services on behalf of Dublin Airlines and KS Air Charter. Initially, 3 Jetstream 31s were leased to replace their 3 active older counterparts, however, by 1993 Newair returned one of the aircraft and carried on scheduled passenger operations with just 2 aircraft. The new Jetstreams were deployed on "triangle" routes between BLL, Manchester (MAN), and Birmingham (BHX) along with a stop-over route from BLL to Bergen (BGO) via Stavanger (SVG). The Fokker 27 was retired in 1995, but another example was acquired in 1996 and first deployed on cargo flights to Stuggart (STR) and Helsinki (HEL) in addition to occasional passenger and cargo charter flights. A second Fokker 27 was added in October of 1996, but only served the company until the end of the summer season the following year. Cargo and passenger services were expanded with 4 modern Fokker 50s which arrived between 1998 and 2000, operating sub-services for other carriers in the region, such as Stord Flytransport and Air Kosova. Newair began corporate jet charters in 1999 with a Citation II, and expanded those charters with a Piper Navajo twin prop in 2000. The carrier failed in 2003, returning the aircraft to their lessors.

Jetstream flights are based off a 1996 schedule, Fokker charter flights are representative though the destinations were served. All aircraft wore individual liveries. Both Jetstreams in the fleet are included, not just 1.

PAI Jetstream 31 OY-CLC by RAI member 747sp: www.dropbox.com/sh/m5w0xcwvt58tdwc/AACvtvsfLu7m5KxuhnLY96bVa?dl=0&file_subpath=%2FNew+folder&preview=J31+pack.zip

The Fokker 27 repaints and the other JS31 are still needed.

Jetstream 31 scheduled flights:

Fokker 27 charters:

Download Newair Airservice 1996 Flightplans Here

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perficad
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FREE 1996 / 1997 Flightplan Project Dec 21, 2022 11:28:21 GMT -5

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Post by perficad on Dec 21, 2022 11:28:21 GMT -5

Why don't you do one for the other seasons for the 70's and 80's too?
Then people will have a comprehensive list of what is available on this forum, as the search engine on it does not work very well.

It also then gives me a good idea where the gaps are. One thing I see from the above is most major carriers are missing, its largely short-lived airlines.

Edit - Also are you able to list out which airlines are included in Aleck's plans for each year? As the file sizes seem to vary wildly from year to year, so presumably there are some bits missing.

Last Edit: Dec 21, 2022 11:46:22 GMT -5 by perficad

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FREE 1996 / 1997 Flightplan Project Dec 21, 2022 11:46:21 GMT -5 via mobile chasensfo likes this

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Post by eth72s on Dec 21, 2022 11:46:21 GMT -5

Dec 21, 2022 11:28:21 GMT -5 perficad said:

Why don't you do one for the other seasons for the 70's and 80's too?
Then people will have a comprehensive list of what is available on this forum, as the search engine on it does not work very well.

It also then gives me a good idea where the gaps are. One thing I see from the above is most major carriers are missing, its largely short-lived airlines.

Perficad,
Why should we duplicate fligtplans, done by somebody else? If you search you will find a lot of FPs done by me for my favourite period-1989. But I did what had never been done before.

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FREE 1996 / 1997 Flightplan Project Dec 21, 2022 11:49:53 GMT -5

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Dec 21, 2022 11:46:21 GMT -5 eth72s said:

Dec 21, 2022 11:28:21 GMT -5 perficad said:

Perficad,
Why should we duplicate fligtplans, done by somebody else? If you search you will find a lot of FPs done by me for my favourite period-1989. But I did what had never been done before.

I see 6 or so you have done? Unless the others are not showing in the search I made. Which airlines are they?

What do you mean duplicate flightplans?

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FREE 1996 / 1997 Flightplan Project Dec 21, 2022 11:55:13 GMT -5 via mobile

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Post by eth72s on Dec 21, 2022 11:55:13 GMT -5

Dec 21, 2022 11:49:53 GMT -5 perficad said:

Dec 21, 2022 11:46:21 GMT -5 eth72s said:

Perficad,
Why should we duplicate fligtplans, done by somebody else? If you search you will find a lot of FPs done by me for my favourite period-1989. But I did what had never been done before.

I see 6 or so you have done? Unless the others are not showing in the search I made. Which airlines are they?

What do you mean duplicate flightplans?

Duplicate- make several FPs for the same period. And I made more than 6 FPs. Search for eth72s or werdan.

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FREE 1996 / 1997 Flightplan Project Dec 21, 2022 11:58:37 GMT -5

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Post by perficad on Dec 21, 2022 11:58:37 GMT -5

Chasen - where is the other Newair Jetstream? I only see a repaint for OY-CLC?

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PAI Jetstream 31 OY-CLC by RAI member 747sp: www.dropbox.com/sh/m5w0xcwvt58tdwc/AACvtvsfLu7m5KxuhnLY96bVa?dl=0&file_subpath=%2FNew+folder&preview=J31+pack.zip

The Fokker 27 repaints and the other JS31 are still needed.

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FREE 1996 / 1997 Flightplan Project Dec 21, 2022 12:00:39 GMT -5

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Post by perficad on Dec 21, 2022 12:00:39 GMT -5

Dec 21, 2022 11:55:13 GMT -5 eth72s said:

Dec 21, 2022 11:49:53 GMT -5 perficad said:

I see 6 or so you have done? Unless the others are not showing in the search I made. Which airlines are they?

What do you mean duplicate flightplans?

Duplicate- make several FPs for the same period. And I made more than 6 FPs. Search for eth72s or werdan.

I don't think it really matters if there are duplicates? Each version seems to offer something different, depending on which season people want (summer / winter) and if they want made up charter and cargo flights included.

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FREE 1996 / 1997 Flightplan Project Dec 21, 2022 12:03:45 GMT -5 via mobile

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Post by eth72s on Dec 21, 2022 12:03:45 GMT -5

Dec 21, 2022 12:00:39 GMT -5 perficad said:

Dec 21, 2022 11:55:13 GMT -5 eth72s said:

Duplicate- make several FPs for the same period. And I made more than 6 FPs. Search for eth72s or werdan.

I don't think it really matters if there are duplicates? Each version seems to offer something different, depending on which season people want (summer / winter) and if they want made up charter and cargo flights included.

Well, it is up to you. I don't make FPs for summer 1989 if it is already available.

Last Edit: Dec 21, 2022 12:04:19 GMT -5 by eth72s

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FREE 1996 / 1997 Flightplan Project Dec 21, 2022 22:11:48 GMT -5 aleck, eth72s, and 2 more like this

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Post by chasensfo on Dec 21, 2022 22:11:48 GMT -5

Dec 21, 2022 11:28:21 GMT -5 perficad said:

Why don't you do one for the other seasons for the 70's and 80's too?
Then people will have a comprehensive list of what is available on this forum, as the search engine on it does not work very well.

It also then gives me a good idea where the gaps are. One thing I see from the above is most major carriers are missing, its largely short-lived airlines.

Edit - Also are you able to list out which airlines are included in Aleck's plans for each year? As the file sizes seem to vary wildly from year to year, so presumably there are some bits missing.

You can search the RAI forums and Avsim like I did and compile a list for the community like I did as well. That way both you and everyone else benefit from it. Doesn't have to be me. I'm focused on the 90s right now, and I'm already occasionally sharing my edits of his files with lots more to go as I re-arrange aircraft order, add new liveries, etc. Starting with 1991, I will be mass-releasing dozens of airlines ready to go with the newest paints by Michael Pearson and others. I will focus on the 80s once the 90s and early 2000s are filled in more. The early to mid 80s are well covered, the late 80s are missing a lot of major US carriers but otherwise are very well completed thanks to Aleck, Vadim, and others.

Aleck's OAG files are here: retroai.proboards.com/thread/273/new-retro-flightplans

My edits that I've shared (I am way behind in sharing what I've made for my own sim) are here:

90s ex-USSR carriers: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1mbGg4TWusnJeLuUpb4Qd1_Feao5ntQ9L

My 80s edits of plans by Aleck and others: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1UpzKLD0AJ6pZAOMP1PviwAGVFBQKZbBf

My 90s edits of plans by Aleck and others: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/16WvY9dtTyp8RB9v8DOp-vN-1tNVnpPFM

My edits of 1998\99 plans are in that thread.

By the way, before I start a new airline, I spend 2-3 minutes searching RAI and Avsim to make sure no one did it already. That is a lot less effort than making an airline lol.

Dec 21, 2022 11:58:37 GMT -5 perficad said:

Chasen - where is the other Newair Jetstream? I only see a repaint for OY-CLC?

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PAI Jetstream 31 OY-CLC by RAI member 747sp: www.dropbox.com/sh/m5w0xcwvt58tdwc/AACvtvsfLu7m5KxuhnLY96bVa?dl=0&file_subpath=%2FNew+folder&preview=J31+pack.zip

The Fokker 27 repaints and the other JS31 are still needed.

There is no other repaint. But there is zero point in making flightplans without an aircraft just because there is no repaint for it when you make the plans. No one else does that. The fleet is what it is. Just make the plans with the real fleet and one day there will probably be repaints. That is why plans by everyone but yourself for carriers with 737-100s lists them as 737-100s even though there isn't even a model lol. Especially if you're charging for them, they should be accurate. I have told you this so many times when I kept noticing that you leave out aircraft. But again, you don't seem to care what people think despite wanting their money.

Dec 21, 2022 12:00:39 GMT -5 perficad said:

Dec 21, 2022 11:55:13 GMT -5 eth72s said:

Duplicate- make several FPs for the same period. And I made more than 6 FPs. Search for eth72s or werdan.

I don't think it really matters if there are duplicates? Each version seems to offer something different, depending on which season people want (summer / winter) and if they want made up charter and cargo flights included.

"Made up". No, you posting charter airlines with 1/14 airplanes in their fleet and the scheduled flights only which make up 10% or less of their operation is made up. That is NOT a payware quality representation of an airline, are you serious? Do you even understand how much research by myself and Brian go into the charters and cargo flights and how realistically they are made as sectors? Your plans suck compared to ours if you want to go there, watch your mouth.

Making duplicate plans is for your ego, not for the community. The community would rather that you spend that time filling in missing gaps. I only make duplicate plans in cases like Kiwi International where they had a huge charter operation and they weren't included or Metrojet 1999 where the carrier exploded from early 1998 which had existing plans and is a better representation of that carrier for the late 1990s. Not just because it might have a route or two not included or whatever.

By the way, eth72s has made DOZENS of plans spanning across 2 decades or more. I have no idea how using the search function you thought he made 6 plans. He's made at least twice that for 1998\99 alone and more for the late 1980s lol...

Again, like Vadim said, you're going to do what you're going to do. No one can control anyone. But you REALLY don't have a platform at all to come on these forums and say anything negative about him, myself, or anything else given the circumstances and the replies to your own thread calling me out, which didn't seem to phase you as creepy as that kinda is. And before you started all this, the VERY most I ever said publicly was that you should be including the real fleets. And even though I didn't agree with you selling plans, I still helped out with repaint links when I saw them missing or whatever. I even said I'd still give you my 89 traffic after I decided us working on the installer wouldn't work out so long as it was free. I have no idea why you decided to do all this. Seriously. And even now, if you didn't disrespect Vadim and myself in this thread, I wouldn't even be typing this.

Last Edit: Dec 22, 2022 2:20:43 GMT -5 by chasensfo

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FREE 1996 / 1997 Flightplan Project Dec 22, 2022 22:55:59 GMT -5

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Post by perficad on Dec 22, 2022 22:55:59 GMT -5

Dec 21, 2022 22:11:48 GMT -5 chasensfo said:

Dec 21, 2022 11:28:21 GMT -5 perficad said:

Why don't you do one for the other seasons for the 70's and 80's too?
Then people will have a comprehensive list of what is available on this forum, as the search engine on it does not work very well.

It also then gives me a good idea where the gaps are. One thing I see from the above is most major carriers are missing, its largely short-lived airlines.

Edit - Also are you able to list out which airlines are included in Aleck's plans for each year? As the file sizes seem to vary wildly from year to year, so presumably there are some bits missing.

You can search the RAI forums and Avsim like I did and compile a list for the community like I did as well. That way both you and everyone else benefit from it. Doesn't have to be me. I'm focused on the 90s right now, and I'm already occasionally sharing my edits of his files with lots more to go as I re-arrange aircraft order, add new liveries, etc. Starting with 1991, I will be mass-releasing dozens of airlines ready to go with the newest paints by Michael Pearson and others. I will focus on the 80s once the 90s and early 2000s are filled in more. The early to mid 80s are well covered, the late 80s are missing a lot of major US carriers but otherwise are very well completed thanks to Aleck, Vadim, and others.

Aleck's OAG files are here: retroai.proboards.com/thread/273/new-retro-flightplans

My edits that I've shared (I am way behind in sharing what I've made for my own sim) are here:

90s ex-USSR carriers: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1mbGg4TWusnJeLuUpb4Qd1_Feao5ntQ9L

My 80s edits of plans by Aleck and others: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1UpzKLD0AJ6pZAOMP1PviwAGVFBQKZbBf

My 90s edits of plans by Aleck and others: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/16WvY9dtTyp8RB9v8DOp-vN-1tNVnpPFM

My edits of 1998\99 plans are in that thread.

By the way, before I start a new airline, I spend 2-3 minutes searching RAI and Avsim to make sure no one did it already. That is a lot less effort than making an airline lol.

Dec 21, 2022 11:58:37 GMT -5 perficad said:

Chasen - where is the other Newair Jetstream? I only see a repaint for OY-CLC?

-----
PAI Jetstream 31 OY-CLC by RAI member 747sp: www.dropbox.com/sh/m5w0xcwvt58tdwc/AACvtvsfLu7m5KxuhnLY96bVa?dl=0&file_subpath=%2FNew+folder&preview=J31+pack.zip

The Fokker 27 repaints and the other JS31 are still needed.

There is no other repaint. But there is zero point in making flightplans without an aircraft just because there is no repaint for it when you make the plans. No one else does that. The fleet is what it is. Just make the plans with the real fleet and one day there will probably be repaints. That is why plans by everyone but yourself for carriers with 737-100s lists them as 737-100s even though there isn't even a model lol. Especially if you're charging for them, they should be accurate. I have told you this so many times when I kept noticing that you leave out aircraft. But again, you don't seem to care what people think despite wanting their money.

Dec 21, 2022 12:00:39 GMT -5 perficad said:

I don't think it really matters if there are duplicates? Each version seems to offer something different, depending on which season people want (summer / winter) and if they want made up charter and cargo flights included.

"Made up". No, you posting charter airlines with 1/14 airplanes in their fleet and the scheduled flights only which make up 10% or less of their operation is made up. That is NOT a payware quality representation of an airline, are you serious? Do you even understand how much research by myself and Brian go into the charters and cargo flights and how realistically they are made as sectors? Your plans suck compared to ours if you want to go there, watch your mouth.

Making duplicate plans is for your ego, not for the community. The community would rather that you spend that time filling in missing gaps. I only make duplicate plans in cases like Kiwi International where they had a huge charter operation and they weren't included or Metrojet 1999 where the carrier exploded from early 1998 which had existing plans and is a better representation of that carrier for the late 1990s. Not just because it might have a route or two not included or whatever.

By the way, eth72s has made DOZENS of plans spanning across 2 decades or more. I have no idea how using the search function you thought he made 6 plans. He's made at least twice that for 1998\99 alone and more for the late 1980s lol...

Again, like Vadim said, you're going to do what you're going to do. No one can control anyone. But you REALLY don't have a platform at all to come on these forums and say anything negative about him, myself, or anything else given the circumstances and the replies to your own thread calling me out, which didn't seem to phase you as creepy as that kinda is. And before you started all this, the VERY most I ever said publicly was that you should be including the real fleets. And even though I didn't agree with you selling plans, I still helped out with repaint links when I saw them missing or whatever. I even said I'd still give you my 89 traffic after I decided us working on the installer wouldn't work out so long as it was free. I have no idea why you decided to do all this. Seriously. And even now, if you didn't disrespect Vadim and myself in this thread, I wouldn't even be typing this.

All I wish to do is make flightplans for people. I am not entirely sure what this huge drama above is about and I'm afraid I dont have time to reply to all of the points.

If anybody else wishes to understand why I posted the other Chasen thread originally, they just need to read the above, and look at the language etc etc etc, and why it was not possible for me to have any communication.

Last Edit: Dec 22, 2022 23:13:04 GMT -5 by perficad

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FREE 1996 / 1997 Flightplan Project Dec 23, 2022 3:19:15 GMT -5 sakura likes this

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Post by chasensfo on Dec 23, 2022 3:19:15 GMT -5

I think that I made it transparent to the audience you rounded up what our conversation was prior to you starting the thread that apparently was not meant to "cause drama". Cool. Might as well get started on that list you suggested for the community who pays you.

We'll just pretend not to notice how I took the time to provide the links that are required to complete the project you suggested then and you ignored my reply to why I included the Jetstream that you didn't, I suppose. Why improve? Anything for the community, am I right, Carl?

Last Edit: Dec 24, 2022 2:31:12 GMT -5 by chasensfo

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FREE 1996 / 1997 Flightplan Project Dec 23, 2022 8:43:15 GMT -5 chasensfo, eth72s, and 1 more like this

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Dec 22, 2022 22:55:59 GMT -5 perficad said:

Dec 21, 2022 22:11:48 GMT -5 chasensfo said:

All I wish to do is make flightplans for people. I am not entirely sure what this huge drama above is about and I'm afraid I dont have time to reply to all of the points.

If anybody else wishes to understand why I posted the other Chasen thread originally, they just need to read the above, and look at the language etc etc etc, and why it was not possible for me to have any communication.

No..you didn't just want to make flight plans, you wanted to sell them. Also you and Chase could have easily settled your disagreement in PMs but instead you went public to stir the pot and try to get a long running project with countless hours of work behind it by several people on this forum thrown out and discredited.

Instead that attempt back fired so now your trying to be humble about it and deflect but nobody here is buying it.

Maybe I'll stop being harsh with you if you honestly apologise to everyone here on this message board that worked on the 98 project and mean it.

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FREE 1996 / 1997 Flightplan Project Dec 23, 2022 10:41:07 GMT -5 via mobile

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Dec 23, 2022 8:43:15 GMT -5 sakura said:

Dec 22, 2022 22:55:59 GMT -5 perficad said:

All I wish to do is make flightplans for people. I am not entirely sure what this huge drama above is about and I'm afraid I dont have time to reply to all of the points.

If anybody else wishes to understand why I posted the other Chasen thread originally, they just need to read the above, and look at the language etc etc etc, and why it was not possible for me to have any communication.

No..you didn't just want to make flight plans, you wanted to sell them. Also you and Chase could have easily settled your disagreement in PMs but instead you went public to stir the pot and try to get a long running project with countless hours of work behind it by several people on this forum thrown out and discredited.

Instead that attempt back fired so now your trying to be humble about it and deflect but nobody here is buying it.

Maybe I'll stop being harsh with you if you honestly apologise to everyone here on this message board that worked on the 98 project and mean it.

Guys, let's keep this civil unless you want me to lock this thread.