I whipped up a quick excel file to aid my AI periods and flightplanning, figured I would share it with you guys as a Google Doc that I can edit along with anyone else who wishes to update it. Other than a few exceptions, I was mostly looking for airports that opened/closed from the 80s onward, either entirely or to commercial/international traffic. I also included a few airports that ceased to exist entirely(Lanarca, Gaza, and Meigs Field in Chicago), though I suppose we can add Donetsk to that. This should aid in selecting scenery, flightplanning and modifying plans to a certain era. I will keep it restricted to airports with commercial service(Great Lakes and some others flew to Meigs).
Post contributions here and I will update. A few of the airports had their codes transferred to the new airports, and unlike VHHX, 1DEN, ect, I have yet to see an alternate code for them in FS flightplans. I put an "X" on those codes to mark them. Any help with a standardization of that is appreciated!
EDDI/THF - Tempelhof (closed) EDDM/MUC - München Riem (replaced with new airport)
I've started a FSX scenery for Stapleton and will try to completely exclude Denver International in turn so that there doesn't need to be any airport code meddling in flight plans.
Cool! Will it be Stapleton as it was at its closure in 1995 with all concourses complete, or an 80s version? I had started one too, but I have a LOT of reading up on ADEX and scenery design to do so I guess I'll just abandon this and work on Austin-Muller(KATT) instead which will be a much easier project.
Did not know about Munich, interesting that the old Tower still stands(just like Stapleton and Austin-Muller), I'll keep that in mind should I ever visit. Templehoff, of course, is huge on my list of things to see in Germany. If only we honored our old airports like that here in the USA. KSRF, Hamilton Air Force Base just North of the San Francisco Golden Gate Bridge, was flooded with its shut down and NAS Alemeda right next to downtown San Francisco mostly dug up and turned into a set for the TV show "Mythbusters". Airport parks are a great idea, it is all open space after all.
Here are some, I don't know if you have included these or not. Many of these are much older than many of you care about, but I thought I would add them anyway. Note that "scenery available" usually means a 1960s airport, not later than that:
1947 KCVG Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International (KLUK - Cincinnati Municipal Airport-Lunken Field - now GA) 1947 KSDF Louisville International Airport-Standiford Field (KLOU - Bowman Field - now GA) 1954 KICT Wichita Mid-Continent, nee "new" Municipal ("old" Municipal KPWA, now McConnell AFB) 1956-61 LIRF Rome Fiumicino (LIRA Ciampino - now mainly low cost carriers, scenery available) 1956-72 KMCI Kansas City Mid-Continent (airline traffic in 1972)(KMKC Municipal, now Wheeler Downtown - now GA, scenery available) 1961 ESSA Stockholm Arlanda (ESSB Bromma - at first only Linjeflyg, now only Malmo) 1962 KMCO Orlando (KORL Municipal - now Executive)(all jet flights at KMCO) 1963 EGAA Aldergrove (Nutt's Corner - closed) 1965 KGCN Grand Canyon (40G Valle - now GA, scenery available) 1965 NZAA Aukland (NZWP Whenuapai - now military only, scenery available) 1967 KSMF Sacramento Metro (KSAC Municipal - now Executive, scenery available) 1967 SCEL Santiago Benítez (SCTI Los Cerillos - now GA) 1968 KJAX Jacksonville (KJIF Imeson (closed), scenery available) 1969 KIAH Houston Intercontinental (KHOU Hobby) 1970 YMML Melbourne (YMEN Essendon - now GA) 1973 KDFW - Dallas-Fort Worth Regional/International (KDAL - Dallas-Love Field (now regional only), and KACF/KGSW - Greater Fort Worth International-Amon Carter Field/Greater Southwest International Airport (closed), scenery available) 1974 LFPG Paris Charles De Gaulle (LFPO Orly, LFPB Le Bourget - now GA, scenery available) 1975 CYMX Montreal Mirabel (CYUL Dorval - then mostly domestic traffic, now all back at CYUL) 1975 LFLL Lyons Saint Exupery (LFLY Bron - now GA only) 1975 WIIH Jakarta Halim Perdana (WIID Kemayoran - then domestic only, scenery available) 1978 RJAA Tokyo Narita (RJTT Haneda - now regional traffic, scenery available) 1979 RCTP Taipei Chiang Kai Shek (RCSS Sungshan - now domestic only) 1981 WSSS Singapore Changi (WSAP Paya Lebar - now military only, scenery available) 1982 ORBS/ORBI Baghdad Saddam/Intl - renamed in 2003 (Z15M Mutherra/Muthenna?, earlier was Baghdad West) 1983 OJAI Amman Queen Alia (OJAM Marka - now regional traffic) 1985 SBGR Sao Paulo Guarulhos (SBSP Congonhas - domestic only, and SBKB Viracopos - now the airport for Campinas) 1985 WIII Jakarta Soekarno-Hatta (WIIH Halim Perdana - now domestic only, and WIID Kemayoran was closed) 1988 RJCC Sapporo Chitose (RJCJ Chitose - now military only) 1992 EDDM Munich (EDMR Riem (closed), scenery available) 1994 RJBB Osaka Kansai (RJOO Itami - now domestic traffic) 1995 KDEN Denver Intl (XDEN Stapleton (closed), scenery available) 1998 ENGM Oslo Gardermoen - previously GA only (ENFB Fornebu (closed), scenery available) 1998 KAUS Austin-Bergstrom International (KATT - Austin-Robert Mueller Field, scenery available) 1998 VHHH Hong Kong Chek Lap Kok (VHHX Kai Tak (closed), scenery available) 1998 WMKK Kuala Lumpur (WMSA Subang - now domestic only) 2000 LIMC Milan Malpensa (LIML Linate - now mostly domestic) 2001 LGAV Athens Eleftherios Venizelos (LGAT Hellinikon (closed)) 2001 RKSI Seoul Incheon (RKSS Gimpo - now domestic and to Tokyo) 2005 RJGG Nagoya Chubu Centrair (RJNN Komaki - J-Air only) 2006 VTBS Bangkok Suvarnabhumi (VTBD Don Mueang - now domestic only)
Last Edit: Sept 13, 2016 11:38:21 GMT -5 by tgibson
Cool! Will it be Stapleton as it was at its closure in 1995 with all concourses complete, or an 80s version?
I've got charts for the late 80s, with the commuter runways in operation and the only good photos of the terminal that I could find are from the 90s, so it will be a bit of a mix. Google Earth also only goes as far back as 1993.
The east-west commuter runway on the taxiway was removed in the 1990s, I think, while the separate north-south runway stuck till the end.
The terminal complex will have the remodeled concourse B and E. It's all looking quite generic as I only want to use a single texture sheet. Tower and hangar 61 are "borrowed" from the Sketchup warehouse. Not sure if the old terminal was still standing in the 1980s or 90s, but I faintly remember that I left the model (from the Calclassic scenery) in. Regarding the Continental and United (or Frontier?) maintenance hangars on the north apron, these might be generic. There was also an old maintenance hanger there, which I could carry over from the CC scenery as well.
It's been a while since I've worked on it (texturing models, ugh!).
I had started one too, but I have a LOT of reading up on ADEX and scenery design to do so I guess I'll just abandon this and work on Austin-Muller(KATT) instead which will be a much easier project.
You need SketchUp or Blender for the models, but if you manage to find semi-fitting generic default models for the terminals, it's fine by me. Just get some ADEX skills as the runway and taxiway layouts are the most important part.
I'd really appreciate some help with backdating airports. It's a lot of annoying detail work, espeically with the taxi signs and terminals. You can check my collection of backdated ADEX files for reference. Since good source data is few and far between and some actions (terminals!) would require an unwarranted amount of effort, these projects involve a lot of artistic liberty.
For a start, you can try to find a preferably smaller airport (which I did not cover yet) that only received taxiway and gate changes and practice basic airport editing. I think some airports in California like BUR or SBA might be good candidates. Or Montréal Dorval. Or LAS or MIA (as these are pretty much locked in).
Templehoff, of course, is huge on my list of things to see in Germany. If only we honored our old airports like that here in the USA. KSRF, Hamilton Air Force Base just North of the San Francisco Golden Gate Bridge, was flooded with its shut down and NAS Alemeda right next to downtown San Francisco mostly dug up and turned into a set for the TV show "Mythbusters". Airport parks are a great idea, it is all open space after all.
Tempelhof is under constant threat by the city administration and only kept public and intact by citizen demand. The terminal is basically untouchable, but the rest is prime land for high price apartments and all that urban development BS. Give it 20 years and the area will look just like any other disused airport.
Tegel is set to close in 2017 and the excavators are already waiting. Hopefully, the new airport will open in 2050 or 2060.
Thanks so much you guys! I updated the list, eventually I will add a column for available sceneries with the date depicted and links/filenames. I hope this aids in backdating your sims/creating flightplans.
@bjoern, I have been tooling with AFCAD since FS2002 came out and the only way to get airlines to park at the proper airport was to create a bunch of other airports with only those gates active!(1SFO,2SFO,ect). ADEX is a handy tool, but I'm still new with it as well as modelconverterX and P3D itself. Once I settle in, I'm sure it'll be a lot easier to contribute.
Starting small I have re-done KTVL and KMRY in circa 1995 for the Orbx Sceneries, though I know most of you run FS2004/FSX. Using your 80s SFO as a starter(which was great for most taxiways/runways at the time), I have been tweaking it for realism adding/editing several ramp areas(butler aviation FBO, North Cargo, Cargo area that is where Signature is today, UAX gates, ect) making a 1995 SFO. I just need to figure out how to exclude the intl terminals and some other structures to clear house and then I will start making and planting objects. I am modifying some FS2004 freeware SJC and OAK scenery as well, but having lots of trouble with modelconverterX and can't get the objects to show even though it would appear I am exporting them in the p3d/FSX format. Gotta figure that stuff out, but I will share what I have...when I have it. Once I get it all down, I'll start helping out with backdating more airports. Right now however, just SFO is a lot of work since I don't know what I'm doing!
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FSX Retro Flyer: About the Let-410 of Uganda Airlines, I also couldn't find a picture of it, but I presume that it had same cheatlines and colors of the previously used Fokker 27.
Apr 17, 2021 5:42:15 GMT -5
chasensfo: I do know of pics of the Zambian Express ATR, but it is a little complicated for me, going to leave that to other people. I haven't painted a Let 410 yet, also something I have no plans on doing anytime soon. Sorry. Might do the Air Ivorie Fokkers, though
Apr 28, 2021 3:26:29 GMT -5
Just snooping around: There's a small texture issue with MikeBlaze's recent Qantas 767s, the registrations on the right side are mirrored and are thus backwards.
May 2, 2021 2:25:01 GMT -5
chasensfo: You should let him know in his thread or via PM then
May 2, 2021 3:02:39 GMT -5
FSX Retro Flyer: Actually Michael Pearson in AVSIM released repaints for the FAIB 767-200 & -300 for Qantas recently and Saudia repaints, including the FAIB 747-400
May 3, 2021 6:31:50 GMT -5
FSX Retro Flyer: Thanks for the LAPA release and Dinar update but, where are the paints of Dinar's fleet? The pastes are still empty just like the first time I downloaded it.
May 30, 2021 16:31:53 GMT -5
darrenvox: Hi guys wassup
Jun 5, 2021 17:42:27 GMT -5
theflyingmobian: Any chance of Ansett New Zealand making it into the 1998 project? They were still active around that time.
Jun 5, 2021 23:32:31 GMT -5
FSX Retro Flyer: Well, Ansett Australia is already included but in the Incomplete Airlines folder. About Ansett New Zealand, they may add and work with it in a near future.
Jun 9, 2021 21:12:50 GMT -5
chasensfo: Ansett is in progress, but so are like 30 other airlines so we'll see when it's done. Should be this year, maybe this summer.
Jun 10, 2021 16:04:30 GMT -5
chasensfo: Actually whoops, Ansett NZ isn't even in the schedule I bought LOL so it'll be a while until someone is willing to go into the OAG to do it. Large airlines from the OAG vs a schedule take WAY longer, so hopefully Miggy wants to follow up with Ansett NZ...
Jun 10, 2021 16:05:52 GMT -5
theflyingmobian: Ansett Australia's 767-200 was my first ever time on a plane so I'm looking forward to having them in my FSX world alongside Ansett NZ if that ever makes it in.
Jun 11, 2021 0:13:34 GMT -5
chasensfo: Yes, I am very excited for them too, but don't have the time to take them on myself sadly. Miggy does a great job, talked to him today he's still actively working on it
Jun 11, 2021 2:29:09 GMT -5
theflyingmobian: The 747-300/400s. 767-200/300s, 727s and 737-300s all have HD paints over on AVSIM for FAIB and AIA models, There's also a Kendall SAAB 340 on there assuming it's part of the flight plans.
Jun 11, 2021 4:09:30 GMT -5
chasensfo: Yes the regionals will be included, and yes the whole 1999 fleet is done (they joined Star Alliance in 1999 and that fleet has the logo lol)
Jun 11, 2021 12:27:57 GMT -5
theflyingmobian: Damn you're on top of this lol
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chasensfo: People usually reach out to me when they paint late 90s fleets and ask about flightplans
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FSX Retro Flyer: Here are my huge and humble thanks to Michael Pearson for creating these magnificent paints for the post-CAAC Chinese airlines!
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chasensfo: Hell yeah, and soon the 1990s airports of China will all be open for business
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