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Post by 727pilot on Aug 7, 2006 5:47:18 GMT -5
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Post by Christian Page, RAI on Aug 7, 2006 7:09:18 GMT -5
I think I did an Alitalia -62, I'll have to look. I know I did a 50 series in their colors because there's no model of the 40 series.
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Post by swag on Aug 7, 2006 8:06:40 GMT -5
In a way there are problably more usable repaints missing because most of the existing repaints are for v1 of Dee's model, which doesn't haveLODs.
AI models without LODs kill the frame rate really very very quickly. Often they are worse than flyable models that do have LODs, such as the default aircraft.
The model on Henry's site is v2 by the way and does have LODs and only one texture instead of two. This means though that textures for the v1 model don't work with the v2 model...
Regards,
Torsten
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Post by 727pilot on Aug 7, 2006 8:34:50 GMT -5
I think I did an Alitalia -62, I'll have to look. I know I did a 50 series in their colors because there's no model of the 40 series. Hi Kris, is your DC-8-50 repaint available at avsim? I'd love to have an Alitalia DC-8 in the last livery they flew in. At the moment I'm using the DC-8 from the "CalClassic"-package - unfortunately it is in the sixties colours which look quite out of date in my 70s/80s retro-world. In a way there are problably more usable repaints missing because most of the existing repaints are for v1 of Dee's model, which doesn't have LODs. Hi Torsten, I never had any problems using textures for Dee's DC-8-models. They all work fine for me, but I have to say that I don't have that many DC-8s flying around yet... Sometimes the liveries just seem to be very blurry - but I think this is another issue. Best regards! Michael |
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Post by Christian Page, RAI on Aug 7, 2006 9:12:36 GMT -5
I think I did an Alitalia -62, I'll have to look. I know I did a 50 series in their colors because there's no model of the 40 series. Hi Kris, is your DC-8-50 repaint available at avsim? I'd love to have an Alitalia DC-8 in the last livery they flew in. At the moment I'm using the DC-8 from the "CalClassic"-package - unfortunately it is in the sixties colours which look quite out of date in my 70s/80s retro-world. No, I never put it out for public use. I can send it to you, though - and it is the 70s/80s livery. I have FPs for the flights they flew to Detroit in the '70s, that's why I painted the planes. |
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Post by 727pilot on Aug 7, 2006 9:38:50 GMT -5
Thanks, Kris!
I just sent you a PM with my e-mail-adress.
Michael
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Post by swag on Aug 7, 2006 14:45:31 GMT -5
In a way there are problably more usable repaints missing because most of the existing repaints are for v1 of Dee's model, which doesn't have LODs. I never had any problems using textures for Dee's DC-8-models. They all work fine for me, but I have to say that I don't have that many DC-8s flying around yet... Sometimes the liveries just seem to be very blurry - but I think this is another issue. I'm talking specifically about Dee'S DC-8-62 and there specifically about the first version of his model. All other of Dee's DC-8s have LODs and work great. In case you don't know, LODs are crucial for AI aircraft. There might be little difference if you have one aircraft that lacks them, but if you have say 10 or 20 of those aircraft in view then your frame rate gets easily halved. So it's really quite important for smooth flying. The great AI Aardvark have a nice page explaining what LODs are: www.ai-aardvark.com/modeling/LOD_101/aia_LOD.htmlI'm just raising awareness here that there is in fact a v2 model of Dee's DC-8-62 that does have LODs - most people apparently aren't aware of this. Most of the released DC-8-62 repaints are for the first version of the model. The mapping of the textures onto the model is totally different between v1 and v2 of the DC-8-62, so it just wouldn't work to mix them. The tails would be painted with some random green or yellow for example. You would definitely notice. If you haven't experienced a problem yet then that means that you probably only have v1 installed. The blurriness comes from either a very very crappy graphics card (unlikely if bought in the last 3 years) or from the fact that the textures that appear blurry contain mipmaps. The mimaps can be removed with dxtbmp or with imagetool. Mipmaps serve absolutely no purpose for AI aircraft. Torsten |
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Post by Christian Page, RAI on Aug 7, 2006 19:36:38 GMT -5
Torsten,
I appreciate your comments, but I feel they are a bit condescending. we like to avoid that here, we like to be helpful and constructive. Your statements are quite valid, but the tone of your message is a bit too strong for what is appropriate here. I'm not deleting it or banning you as a member, because the statements are valid and helpful, but I am asking to not use such a strong tone in the future. Many reading your post are accomplished repainters and designers and you are treating us like we don't know anything about modeling, LODs, etc. - that's rude and not tolerable. There are ways to phrase everything you said in a manner that does not come off that way.
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Post by swag on Aug 8, 2006 4:29:52 GMT -5
Torsten, I appreciate your comments, but I feel they are a bit condescending. we like to avoid that here, we like to be helpful and constructive. Your statements are quite valid, but the tone of your message is a bit too strong for what is appropriate here. I'm not deleting it or banning you as a member, because the statements are valid and helpful, but I am asking to not use such a strong tone in the future. Many reading your post are accomplished repainters and designers and you are treating us like we don't know anything about modeling, LODs, etc. - that's rude and not tolerable. There are ways to phrase everything you said in a manner that does not come off that way. First of all I'm very sorry if the tone of my contribution put you off! That certainly wasn't my intention, and I still don't quite understand what was condescending about my remarks. In fact I'm very surprised about your strong reaction. Perhaps my command of the English language isn't quite as good as I'd like to think. Anyway, I was answering to 727pilot in particular who might not have known, judging from his comments. Maybe I should have made it more clear which parts were a direct response to him. I've also had all the lurkers in mind, many of which are new to AI or not all that much into the technical side of things. I certainly didn't have modellers and other AI experts in mind when explaining LODs or texture mapping.  Concerning the v2 model of the DC-8-62, Dee just never announced it as far as I know and so I've only stumbled across it by accident. Judging from the recent appearance of more new repaints for the old model on Avsim it appears that at least some of the distinguished painters on here have missed that one as well. It would be a bit of a shame if more new repaints would be done for the old model. Hence my original contribution to this thread. Thanks for your attention and keep up the great work, all you modellers and painters and flightplanners and website maintainers!  Cheers, Torsten |
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Post by Christian Page, RAI on Aug 8, 2006 9:14:17 GMT -5
First of all I'm very sorry if the tone of my contribution put you off! That certainly wasn't my intention, and I still don't quite understand what was condescending about my remarks. In fact I'm very surprised about your strong reaction. Perhaps my command of the English language isn't quite as good as I'd like to think. Anyway, I was answering to 727pilot in particular who might not have known, judging from his comments. Maybe I should have made it more clear which parts were a direct response to him. I've also had all the lurkers in mind, many of which are new to AI or not all that much into the technical side of things. I certainly didn't have modellers and other AI experts in mind when explaining LODs or texture mapping. Concerning the v2 model of the DC-8-62, Dee just never announced it as far as I know and so I've only stumbled across it by accident. Judging from the recent appearance of more new repaints for the old model on Avsim it appears that at least some of the distinguished painters on here have missed that one as well. It would be a bit of a shame if more new repaints would be done for the old model. Hence my original contribution to this thread. Thanks for your attention and keep up the great work, all you modellers and painters and flightplanners and website maintainers! Cheers, Torsten No harm, no foul. I don't generally comment on things posted here, I let things go, but once in a while I do have to speak up when I feel something is a bit awry. I know your intentions are nothing but admirable, but the wording came that I could see where someone might be offended by the tone. |
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