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Post by jetstar on Jan 22, 2008 10:12:48 GMT -5
(thanks, Jas!) OK - here's a new try. The changes are: 1. AA logo resized/reshaped to match the logo on the pic (traced with Illustrator) 2. "American" : ditto. 3. US flag added 4. reg. moved forward two windows' width I'm waiting for the definite OK or further corrections before adjusting the alpha layer Thanks for the input, guys Christian ps: I know about the ventral fin that shouldn't be there. It's the only 707-100B model we've got (unless Tom has an irresistible urge to do another variation on the mdl ) Hi Christian. Incorrect!! All 707-100B's have ventral fins. That was part of the upgrade kit when the the taller tails were fitted to stop 707's falling apart due to Dutch rolls. I'll write more in the staff forum later. Early turbo jets had shorter tails and no V fin, but they were all modded to. Somewhere I have a document that lists all the tail styles to operator. More options than you think.! Not as bad as 17 antenna variation on the Ai Malcontent 767-200!! Paul
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Post by jetstar on Jan 22, 2008 10:14:11 GMT -5
(thanks, Jas!) OK - here's a new try. The changes are: 1. AA logo resized/reshaped to match the logo on the pic (traced with Illustrator) 2. "American" : ditto. 3. US flag added 4. reg. moved forward two windows' width I'm waiting for the definite OK or further corrections before adjusting the alpha layer Thanks for the input, guys Christian ps: I know about the ventral fin that shouldn't be there. It's the only 707-100B model we've got (unless Tom has an irresistible urge to do another variation on the mdl ) Hi Christian. Incorrect!! All 707-100B's have ventral fins. That was part of the upgrade kit when the the taller tails were fitted to stop 707's falling apart due to Dutch rolls. I'll write more in the staff forum later. Early turbo jets had shorter tails and no V fin, but they were all modded to. Somewhere I have a document that lists all the tail styles to operator. More options than you think.! Not as bad as 17 antenna variation on the Ai Malcontent 767-200!! Paul
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Post by ElliottD on Jan 22, 2008 10:55:39 GMT -5
Looks great Chris! Excellent job
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Post by chrisP on Jan 27, 2008 20:10:24 GMT -5
Here are the -323B and C, until something better comes along.
Unless somebody points out something, I'll avsim all three 707s in the next few days.
edit: for recent screenshots, see the release thread in the "general retroAI discussions" forum )
Exit runway when able
Christian
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Post by ElliottD on Jan 28, 2008 12:12:10 GMT -5
Great Job again Chris! These will get me started with some 70s AI. Only thing I can see is the registration colour. Its hard to tell from real photos but Im not sure if its meant to black or a dark blue colour like the cheatline? Sorry to take nitpicking to the extreme again. Heres a few photographic examples. www.airliners.net/open.file/1129598/L/www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1149812&size=LI'd find better pictures but Airliners.net has really been playing up on me these past few days. Slowed down the progress of my repainting as well!
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Post by Christian Page, RAI on Jan 28, 2008 12:23:54 GMT -5
Great Job again Chris! These will get me started with some 70s AI. Only thing I can see is the registration colour. Its hard to tell from real photos but Im not sure if its meant to black or a dark blue colour like the cheatline? Sorry to take nitpicking to the extreme again. Heres a few photographic examples. www.airliners.net/open.file/1129598/L/www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1149812&size=LI'd find better pictures but Airliners.net has really been playing up on me these past few days. Slowed down the progress of my repainting as well! For as long as I can recall, American's reg numbers have always been the same shade as the blue cheatline. I don't use reg numbers in repaints, anyway, so I don't pay too close attention to them.
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Post by chrisP on Jan 28, 2008 13:07:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, guys. I tend to be wary of "blue shades" from a.net since photos are usually blue-corrected and the observed blue value can't always be trusted. An eyeball report is of course quite different! Consider the regs. fixed.
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Post by Christian Page, RAI on Jan 28, 2008 19:23:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, guys. I tend to be wary of "blue shades" from a.net since photos are usually blue-corrected and the observed blue value can't always be trusted. An eyeball report is of course quite different! Consider the regs. fixed. Hence so many 1950's Braniff paint jobs that are black and orange! Braniff always used red, white, and blue back then, but the photos show it black and orange.
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Post by chrisP on Jan 29, 2008 14:30:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, guys. I tend to be wary of "blue shades" from a.net since photos are usually blue-corrected and the observed blue value can't always be trusted. An eyeball report is of course quite different! Consider the regs. fixed. Hence so many 1950's Braniff paint jobs that are black and orange! Braniff always used red, white, and blue back then, but the photos show it black and orange. ... not to mention Eastern and those dreadful "powder blue" 1960s Pan American repaints...
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Post by chrisP on Jan 29, 2008 14:31:42 GMT -5
Paul, are you doing the 1970s DC10-10 and 741 or shall I?
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Post by ElliottD on Jan 29, 2008 14:44:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, guys. I tend to be wary of "blue shades" from a.net since photos are usually blue-corrected and the observed blue value can't always be trusted. An eyeball report is of course quite different! Consider the regs. fixed. Hence so many 1950's Braniff paint jobs that are black and orange! Braniff always used red, white, and blue back then, but the photos show it black and orange. The one I can never understand is 1960s American Airlines. In all photos it looks red, yet every says its more of an orange red. That would be fine by me given I wasnt around to see them in real life. However, this one, in which photo deterioration wouldnt have been an issue, leaves me confused. www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1151380&size=Lwww.airliners.net/open.file?id=1268351&size=L
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Post by Christian Page, RAI on Jan 29, 2008 16:05:11 GMT -5
The one I can never understand is 1960s American Airlines. In all photos it looks red, yet every says its more of an orange red. That would be fine by me given I wasnt around to see them in real life. However, this one, in which photo deterioration wouldnt have been an issue, leaves me confused. This is easy - from 1934 until the current scheme was unveiled in 1970, American's colors were Blue, White, and International Orange. International Orange (the same color is used on the Golden Gate Bridge) has heavy red tones, so it often looks red, but it is indeed a shade of orange. Here's a picture I took in 1996 of the "Flagship Knoxville" at the C.R. Smith Museum in Fort Worth, back when it was still displayed outside. I lightened it just slightly, but did not change the hue map any - the orange tone is pretty clear in the sunlight:
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Post by chrisP on Jan 29, 2008 16:07:16 GMT -5
The real culprit is the sky and the metal. Since orange and red are opposite blue (how much depends on the color model used), any adjustment in blue will tend to affect the reds/oranges. On AA planes, the fuselage top will reflect the sky and "overload" the blue channel logic so that there will be a correction. I'd say the best guide is an unadelturated vintage color pic (which is quite rare) or, even better, an eyeball report. I have a lot of trouble trusting modern digital pics or photo processing. To get the full monty in terms of shades of blue, just look at pics of Zoom Airlines What we really need is a Hooloovoo (for Douglas Adams fans)
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Post by chrisP on Jan 30, 2008 8:36:18 GMT -5
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Post by jetstar on Jan 30, 2008 12:25:11 GMT -5
DC-10s and 747s..........Yes!! I was also at LGW that day!! The 707 was N8409 on delivery to MEA. The only other time I can remember AA 70's at LGW was 1976, when they did a couple of subs for BCAL and Traidwinds. Those were the days!! Paul
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