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Post by Andy on Jun 24, 2006 14:49:32 GMT -5
Does the Southern TT indicate which are jets and which are not? In 1977 Southern's jets were almost all DC-9-10s, with just a handful of DC-9-30s. What's the date in 1977? In mid 1977 Southern finally phased out its 404s in favor of Sweringen Metros, which they only used for a couple of years. A few 404s were retained until 1978. My point, anyway, is that it would be pretty easy to make a good guess as to aircraft type.
Not to insult you, but did you check to see if there is a code in the flight numbering system that gives the aircraft type?
Andy
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Post by Christian Page, RAI on Jun 24, 2006 15:36:12 GMT -5
Adding to what Andy said, it's okay to guess between DC-9 types for Southern - I did it for Ozark '71. In reality, there may have been a "dedicated" plane on a given route, but it would not be uncommon for the airline to substitute a DC-9-10 with a DC-9-30 if demand warranted. For example, we in this region know that come fall, college football is king, so it's not unusual to see larger aircraft serving a given route on gamedays. I wouldn't worry too much on the specifics of whether it was a short or stretch DC-9 on a route for Southern. BTW, that reminds me - I need to finish up that AI 404! Tom gave me permission to use his flyable textures and I've never gotten around to modifying them for the AI version.
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Post by jetstar on Jun 24, 2006 16:27:10 GMT -5
Hi Andy and Kris. Looking though the Southern flight plans I did eventually find that flights 120-799 are operated by DC-9-10 and DC-9-30 and that 800-899 are by Martin 404s. Its very well hidden and you don't see it when you look right at it!! I'll start to get the data into Excel as SO is one I want to see in the air again.  Paul BTW the schedule is 1st Feb 1977. Paul |
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Post by Andy on Jun 24, 2006 16:30:26 GMT -5
AHA! Always pays to check the fine print. I had that same thing with my Allegheny TT that I recently coded. Only they actually told the exact aircraft type by flight number. Looking forward to it. I need a good set of Southern FPs! Andy |
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Post by sunking on Jun 24, 2006 16:43:20 GMT -5
Hi.
My File is available now at AVSIM.COM. The name:
nal_fleet_update_2.zip
Regards and enjoy them.
-STEFAN-SUNKING-
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Post by rpm on Jun 24, 2006 18:59:20 GMT -5
Guys, I've got Southern 1976 compiled and ready to go. I've just been waiting on the 404 so I could test them. I'll go ahead and submit them if you want  Also, I remember someone saying we needed an Air France 70's 747. I went ahead and painted up an AIA 747 for AF ca. 1975 . Should be up on Avsim in the next day or two. Thanks, RPM. BTW, is there an AI version of the Southern DC-9-30? I thought someone did it a while back. |
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Post by Christian Page, RAI on Jun 24, 2006 22:16:29 GMT -5
Guys, I've got Southern 1976 compiled and ready to go. I've just been waiting on the 404 so I could test them. I'll go ahead and submit them if you want Also, I remember someone saying we needed an Air France 70's 747. I went ahead and painted up an AIA 747 for AF ca. 1975 . Should be up on Avsim in the next day or two. Thanks, RPM. BTW, is there an AI version of the Southern DC-9-30? I thought someone did it a while back. Gary Smith did a 1970-vintage version of the DC-9-30 - the blue/gold colors. I've done both the DC-9-10 and DC-9-30 in the solid blue stripe livery - did them over a year ago. (I also have done the Metro for anyone working on a later schedule) Go ahead and submit the plans, the 404 is already there for testing purposes, just in the 1950's scheme. I'll zip up the DC-9s and send them to you if you can e-mail me, I lost your addy when I switched computers. |
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Post by Andy on Jun 25, 2006 0:00:20 GMT -5
Interesting thing:
Aeromoe lists Southern as operating a handful of Metros from 1977-79 but Aero Transport DB shows no such thing. Airliners.net doesn't have a photo. I don't remember them. Did they or didn't they?
Andy
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Post by Christian Page, RAI on Jun 25, 2006 7:04:44 GMT -5
Interesting thing: Aeromoe lists Southern as operating a handful of Metros from 1977-79 but Aero Transport DB shows no such thing. Airliners.net doesn't have a photo. I don't remember them. Did they or didn't they? Andy There's pictures on airliners.net: www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1041755 The Metro was not very well-liked by Southern's passengers, who had gone from the roomy 404 with its lavatory and flight attendant to the cramped Metro with no facilities or service. Most of the Metro routes that were retained after the merger were quickly re-equipped with CV-580s. |
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Post by Andy on Jun 25, 2006 16:44:52 GMT -5
Golly, I wonder how I could have missed those photos. I also wonder why aerotransport database doesn't list them at all. Gee, I paid for a subscription and now I find out their data is incomplete?
Andy
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Post by jetstar on Jun 26, 2006 2:57:20 GMT -5
Hi Andy.
I have always found ATDB to be incomplete so I always use other sources, mainly the production lists from LAAS International.
Being a spotter I also have a data base which does help.
Bang in a reg and up comes the details.
Paul
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Post by Andy on Jun 26, 2006 14:41:44 GMT -5
Is anyone working on mid-70s Frontier? Seems to be a need and I can't locate a TT.
Andy
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Post by Christian Page, RAI on Jun 26, 2006 14:49:45 GMT -5
I am - 1973 - Oliver DeCoulon provided me with the OAG TT for that year. It's maybe 1/4 done - if anyone wants to help out, and Olivier doesn't mind if I share the source files, have a crack at it. I have painted the 737 and CV-580, but I haven't gotten to te Twotter.
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Post by Christian Page, RAI on Jun 26, 2006 14:53:24 GMT -5
Golly, I wonder how I could have missed those photos. I also wonder why aerotransport database doesn't list them at all. Gee, I paid for a subscription and now I find out their data is incomplete? Andy It's likely a glitch in airliners.net's search engine - I found them by Googling "Southern Airways Metro" - because they are listed as Swearingen SA-226 Metro II's, if you search under "Fairchild Metro", they won't show up. |
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Post by Andy on Jun 26, 2006 14:56:16 GMT -5
I am - 1973 - Oliver DeCoulon provided me with the OAG TT for that year. It's maybe 1/4 done - if anyone wants to help out, and Olivier doesn't mind if I share the source files, have a crack at it. I have painted the 737 and CV-580, but I haven't gotten to te Twotter. YEA!!!  How about a mid-70s Piedmont? Andy |
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