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Post by sunking on Jul 19, 2007 6:05:48 GMT -5
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Post by Christian Page, RAI on Jul 19, 2007 17:29:03 GMT -5
This was an airline I had no idea about, so I thank you all on the work done for it. You'd think I'd know more about Thai airlines considering I lived with a half-Thai woman for nearly four years. her uncle was even an MP over there. I never got the chance to go over there - her father, who lives in Houston, wanted to take us there, but we broke up before it happened. He's an interesting guy - he's an engineer for KBR as well as co-owner of a chain of Thai restaurants in Houston called Nit Noi - Bush, Sr. and Barbara are regulars and they even ordered up 2,000 spring rolls to be delivered to the Astrodome during the 1992 Republican convention. Despite all the success, he's a miser - he drive a top-end Mercedes but leaves it parked in KBR's garage downtown because he's over 60 and can get the free ride on the bus to Chinatown and spend 99 cents on Ramen noodle soup. He was always talking about going back to this little village in Thailand called Nong Boi Lai where he grew up and his parents were the lords of the village. He said "I can live on 60 cent a day! But I spend money because I need to close up the house and get air conditioning and install satellite so I can watch CNN!" Really great guy - totally humble despite all his wealth. He used to travel all over for KBR and has some great airplane tales. His best comment was "I like 747 - you have four engines, you lose one, you still have three. Airbus - I was on one when an engine failed just out of New York, it has two engines. 747, you have three when one fails, Airbus, you have one, I thought it was time to bend over and kiss my yellow ass goodbye!" |
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Post by swag on Jul 21, 2007 7:46:51 GMT -5
The way I look at it, the more engines you have, the greater the chance you have for an engine failure. I know it isn't statistically accurate, but you'd think that with 4 engines, you'd have double the risk for an engine failure of a two engined model. An-225 has treble the chance? Eeek! That may be true but if you have four of them then you can afford losing an engine. British Airways know a thing or two about this: www.atca.org/singlenews.asp?item_ID=2420&comm=0  Torsten |
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Post by chrisP on Jul 21, 2007 8:07:50 GMT -5
No glider ever flamed out (except the Gimli one ) |
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Post by Christian Page, RAI on Jul 21, 2007 8:31:51 GMT -5
No glider ever flamed out (except the Gimli one ) Wasn't there another Canadian bird a few years back - an Air Transaat A-310, I think - that lost both engines due to fuel starvation over the Atlantic but the pilots nursed it in to (I think) the Canary islands? There was also a United DC-8 in 1978 that became a glider over Portland, OR. It came down in a neighborhood east of the airport, with the loss of about 10 people. IIRC, that was the result of the crew spending time on what they thought was a gear problem (it was a failed indicator) and circled the city trying to fix it until they ran out of fuel. |
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Post by Christian Page, RAI on Jul 21, 2007 8:45:09 GMT -5
The way I look at it, the more engines you have, the greater the chance you have for an engine failure. I know it isn't statistically accurate, but you'd think that with 4 engines, you'd have double the risk for an engine failure of a two engined model. An-225 has treble the chance? Eeek! I don't know - B-52s have a long and admirable safety record. I've seen the An-225 fly in person - what a sight to behold! Back in 1990, the Aerospace America show at KOKC scored a major coup by landing the first-ever Soviet demonstrations inside the U.S. - they brought in the An-225, the An-125 (which is now a semi-regular here, hauling oilfield equipment and food shipments from the Feed the Children ministry here) and the Su-27. A friend who was then head of the tower at Wiley Post (KPWA) was in the cab at Will Rogers with a Marine Corps General, who remarked upon seeing the Su-27 "Damn, I'm glad we're friends with those guys now!" The Marines had quietly substituted a standard F-18 with a brand-new advanced Super Hornet just to see how we measured up. That plane being there was all on the QT because the Marines didn't want the Soviets to know about the details of the bird. There was a tragic and then poignant end to the show. Tom Jones, the founder of the show, was flying his Sukhoi Su-26 stunt plane when he attempted an maneuver too close to the ground and crashed, killing him instantly before the crowd. After the crash, the planes of the U.S. Armed Forces that were there and the Soviets all did a fly-by tribute. Someone remarked that was the first time the two nations flew together united in a common goal since World War II. |
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Post by chrisP on Jul 21, 2007 9:27:54 GMT -5
No glider ever flamed out (except the Gimli one ) Wasn't there another Canadian bird a few years back - an Air Transaat A-310, I think - that lost both engines due to fuel starvation over the Atlantic but the pilots nursed it in to (I think) the Canary islands? There was also a United DC-8 in 1978 that became a glider over Portland, OR. It came down in a neighborhood east of the airport, with the loss of about 10 people. IIRC, that was the result of the crew spending time on what they thought was a gear problem (it was a failed indicator) and circled the city trying to fix it until they ran out of fuel. The Air Transat was an A330 from Toronto to Lisbon on August 24th, 2001. They got a (major) leak when a fuel line ruptured in an engine pod. Since it was at night, nobody spotted the white trail. There had been some computer problems with that aircraft/engine combination before and the crew were inclined to suspect a computer fault and not a leak. They activated cross-feeding and eventually flamed out. After a 21min. glide, they managed to land at Lajes (Acores). The captain and first officer (Robert Piché and Dirk DeJager) got the Superior Airmanship Award that year... |
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Post by Andy on Jul 21, 2007 10:11:25 GMT -5
The way I look at it, the more engines you have, the greater the chance you have for an engine failure. I know it isn't statistically accurate, but you'd think that with 4 engines, you'd have double the risk for an engine failure of a two engined model. An-225 has treble the chance? Eeek! Yes, I know that argument has been made but it really doesn't hold logically when you think about it. If you assume a 4-engined jet can fly on 2 engines and a 2-engined jet can fly on 1 engine and the odds of engine failure are the same for all engines, then it is only half as likely that a 4-engine jet will be brought to its minimum engine power than a 2-engines plane since the 4-engine jet would have to lose 2 engines. Frankly, the odds of losing an engine are so rare that the possibility of independently losing 2 engines is virtually zero. Aside from fuel starvation, I am hard pressed to think of many such instances that were not due to a common cause or pilot error. A BOAC 747 did lose all 4 engines while flying through a volcanic ash cloud near Indonesia and there have been instances of a crew accidentally shutting down the wrong engine in response to an engine failure -- as did the crew of a British 737. This also happened on a Flying Tiger (passenger) Connie in the 1950's on a military charter over the Atlantic, forcing it to ditch. Oh, yes, the Eastern L-1011 enroute to the Bahamas that lost all 3 engines due to an oil leak caused by faulty o-rings. Andy |
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Post by sunking on Jul 24, 2007 3:48:55 GMT -5
Thank you so much! You did me a real big favour.  Regards and greatings from Hurghada. -STEFAN-SUN_KING- |
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Post by sunking on Jul 29, 2007 10:17:53 GMT -5
Hi.
got back home. And guess what I did at first? Right, on the PC and install your Air Siam Fleet. It´s great! Thanks!
But, you should consider on checking the starboard site of the 747 and adding the Thai Flag to the Airbus. You can see it for the Airbus on the Link in my first reply post.
Others then that it´s great!
Regards.
-STEFAN-SUN_KING-
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