CalClassic KLGB + MDD Project

[sunking]

Hello.

Today, I had the thought that it should be possible to create a new project with the subject:

MDD Delivery Traffic 197x.

It should be actually possible for me to make the FP´s for the DC-8´s,9´s and 10´s to their respective new owners in the respective countries, e.g. a NAL DC-10 flying KLGB-KMIA every week or so. What I mean is something like the Airbus traffic from FsFrance.

Now I don´t want to start without knowing there is a fitting KLGB Scenery, as I don´t like the standart buildings that much. So, I would like to know if:

-there is a demand for such a Project?
-Someone willing to modernize CALCLASSICS KLGB(it´s only to alter it by ca. 10 yrs), incl. AFCAD?
-Some interested volunteers?

Plz, reply.

Regards.

-STEFAN-

[tgibson]

Hi,

Happy to send the source files to whomever wants to update CC KLGB to the 70's. Just credit the original authors.

Take care,

[Christian Page, RAI]

I think it's a great idea. I've been adding in extra traffic featuring the more famous non-commercial planes of the era - such as the Playboy "Black Bunny", Malcolm Forbes' "Capitalist Tool", Air Force One and others. I've also been adding in charters and cargo (Miami Meat Wagons, Willow Run Parts Haulers) - so this idea fits in with my overall vision, but I really have no time to work on the airport

[sunking]

tgibson:

Or, is it possible to just remove some of the hangars on the DC Site of KLGB, as I think nothing much had changed between the 60´s to the 70´s, or?

It is just that thing that I don´t have so much time to learn on re-building it all, also I am not familiar with KLGB. And your Scenery looks very authentic.

I just need some space for the DC-10´s.
And is it possible to install the KLGB Scenery a alone???

Regards.

-STEFAN-

[tgibson]

Hi,

Yes, all this is possible, but I don't have time to do it - sorry. The objects are placed using SceneGenX - just a matter of opening the KLGB SGX source file, removing the things you don't want, and recompiling. And you can install the KLGB scenery alone by copying all BGL files that start with KLGB and XKLGB, along with the library files and the AFCAD file, into a new KLGB 70/Scenery folder (get these files from the CA62 and CalClassic Core folders). You'll also have to move the KLGB textures, parking.bmp, and any others that don't show up when you load it into FS into a KLGB 70/Texture folder, from the same CA62 and CalClassic Core folders.

Hope this helps,

[sunking]

Hi.

I´ll just give a quick update on my project´s.

KLGB:

Installed and AFCAD completed according to aerial shots. How can I upload or give the Scenery to People´s, interested in it?

MD-FP´s:

Not yet done as I have no real time and idea on how whrer and how long the plane´s flew to their respctive destinations.

-Someone has a idea how a day (15:00-00:00 GMT) looked like? -Where there night Flight´s?
-Any ideas to where I could send the plane´s?
-Any one knows the parking code for McDonnell Douglas?

======>Or better, Is there somebody willing to create some FlightPlans FP´s are needed for the following Airlines:

-MDC: McDonnell Douglas Demonstrators.
-AAL: American Airlines (1x delivery and 1x test Flight to Yuma/Tulsa)
-DLH: Lufthansa
-WAL: Western->Where were their AC´s delivered to?
-COA: Continental ->Where were their AC´s delivered to?
-UAL: United Airlines (1x delivery and 1x test Flights to Yuma/Tulsa)
-NAL: National Airlines
-DAL: Delta
-BCA: British Caledonian->Did one test FP, but not really satisfied.
-UTA: Union de transports Aerienne->Where were their AC´s delivered to?
-MXA: Mexixana
-AMX: Aeromexico->DC-8/9/10
-SWR: Swissair->DC-8/9/10
-SAB: Sabena
-NWA: Northwest Orient->Where were their AC´s delivered to?
-IBE: Iberia

Paints:

McDonnell Douglas:

-Prototypes for the DC-10 Series -10/-20 and -30, completed. Not sure if there was one for the Series -15? (Although I don´t think I can do it soon as I have a lot of real World Tasks to fullfill.)


JAL:

Paints done and completed. They consist:
Boeing (AIA):

-727-46 AIA
-747-146 with 3 windows (and visible and invisble cuttings for 10 Windows.)
-747-246F

Douglas:

DC-8-52
-PAX
-Cargo with emergency Door Windows visible.
-Cargo with no emergency Door Windows

DC-8-71
-PAX

If you wish to have them available, plz confirm.

So, that´s it. But if there is someone willing to create Plans for my DC-9/10´s, plz contact me.

Regards.

-STEFAN-SUN_KING-

[Andy]

I'm not exactly sure I follow all of this but it's an interesting idea. As a CDO at www.air-source.us I used to input some historical delivery ferries and change-of-ownership ferries, as well as boneyard ferries. I would take actual a/c reg nos and trace the airframe through all of its owners. All this got rather too labor intensive and I rarely input them any more.

What I did was to assume that, unless I knew otherwise, aircraft were delivered to the airline's main base of operations. It is true that American had a major maintenance base in Tulsa and TWA's was in Kansas City.

I really am not sure what sort of flight plans you are looking for. Weekly deliveries to a particular airline would be unrealistic, so they would have to be set up at a certain percentage factor and this coordinated with the user's slidebar I assume. I always get confused as to how this percentage works. I leave my slidebar up at 100% except on approaches to busy airports.

The delivery flight plans would be very easy, I assume, to create if the information as to frequency and percentage are given. Anybody could do that and I'd be willing. The demonstrator flights are another matter. I assume these are done over the ocean with a few t&g's back at base. I don't know what the aircraft will do if told to fly KLGB-KLGB. Incidentally, this brings up also an idea for "airline training T & G traffic" at out of the way airports. Before advanced simulators, pilots had to qualify on the real thing and some airports were kept very busy with 707s, 727s, etc. doing touch and go's.

But anyway, it strikes me that a similar idea could be hatched with Boeing's facilities at Seattle and Renton and Lockheed at Burbank.

Andy

[sunking]

Andy, I am so glad that you are willing to take over the part of creating the Flight Plan´s, as I think, or better know, that I wont be having any time till at least January for nothing others than maybe repaints. Also I have no real imagination on how or to which destination, to schedule the planes. However, it is a my aim and maybe also a dream to re-create those Traffic Files for the delivery. This started after browsing through some of my DC-10 Books.

I, too, would like to help you with your Boeing and Lockheed Delivery Project and would be glad in assisting you by creating AFCADS and needed Paints. Although depending on the Scale ( difficult or easy) ) it can take 1-3 weeks.

Thanks again and go ahead. Nevertheless I would be glad to receive an update from time to time.

Regards.

-STEFAN-SUN_KING-

[727pilot]

Hi Stefan,

I would love to have your JAL-repaints! Will you be uploading them to avsim?

The idea to simulate delivery-traffic is great! Andy is right that weekly or even daily deliveries are unrealistic. I think touch-and-gos at KLGB should do the job - at least for me...

Kind regards

Michael

[Christian Page, RAI]

Stefan -

Parking spaces are a purely subjective thing, there are no rules to them other than the ones you create. What you have to do is simply create the code in the ParkingSpecs file of AFCAD, then you use AFCAD's aircraft editor assign that code to the place. I've done this for cargo and commuters. For example, all the Texas International CV-600s, you don't want them clogging jetways at KDFW, forcinging the DC-9s to other terminals, so I created a new parking code - TIC (Texas international Commuter) and spots on the ramp just for them, which is how it was in real life. It's easy to do - BUT - it has to be noted that the planes must be modifed by the user for it to work right.

As to a few of your other questions:

1) Western Airlines - they would have received their aircraft at their KLAX base. In fact, I have a photo of the acceptance ceremony of their first DC-10 taken at that very base in 1973.

2) Continental Airlines - likely also KLAX, although maintenance operations still existed at Denver-Stapleton. Headquarters was in Los Angeles in the 1970's, so figure on delivery ceremonies at KLAX, operational tests and such ath Stapleton.

3) Northwest Airlines - Minneapolis-St. Paul.

4) American Airlines - Headquarters were still in New York until 1979, but I have never seen any formal acceptance ceremonies of aircraft there during that timeframe - aircraft were always accepted at Tulsa, AFAIK.

5) United Airlines - Chicago O'Hare.

[Christian Page, RAI]

aspall said:

It is true that American had a major maintenance base in Tulsa and TWA's was in Kansas City.

From 1946 until the early 1990's when Alliance was constructed, Tulsa was American's only maintenance base. It remains an extremely important base, currently handling all narrowbody work since the retirement of the DC-10/MD-11 fleet. I racked my brain as to what major acceptance ceremony didn't occur there prior to the 777 - that I know was at Alliance. The 777 did do plenty of practical testing at KTUL - I was driving up US 169 on the east side of the field one day and seeing this behemoth against the gray sky and thinking it couldn't be the usual 767 shooting approaches. It sure wasn't - I pulled off on to Port Road, which runs right under the approaches to 18 L/R, and watched it come in - I saw the triple rear bogie and the the registration N770AN and knew immediately it was the airline's first 777 undergoing a shakedown - spectactular sight, one of those days I wished I'd had a camera with me. Of course, that was also back in the day when I couldn't afford a good digicam, something I almost always have with me now.

[biggiraffe]

Hello,

I'd set up some L-1011 flights at Palmdale since I happen to like that plane the best, but I didn't get fancy and do deliveries. (Hadn't thought of that, actually). I only had them do a takeoff and landing and then park, representing a functional test flight. That way there are some parked there as though the factory were producing, plus you might even see one fly.

Take care,
Kurt

[tgibson]

Hi,

While the formal acceptance ceremonies were probably held there, typically aircraft deliveries were actually made at places like Las Vegas and Phoenix, because of the lack of sales tax. They were then flown to the formal ceremonies from there.

Hope this helps,

[sunking]

Ladies and Gentleman.

I hereby anounce: The JAL Pack is uploaded to avsim and should appear by the next 1 or 2 days.

Regards.

-STEFAN-SUN_KING-

[sunking]

It´s up now. At avsim.com my JAL 1974 Paints can be found under the File Name: jal1974.zip

My next possible Paints could be, maybe, the Cathay Pacific Fleet, as I am not really satisfied with the Green Stripe, especially with the L-1011, as compared to Pic´s it´s placed wrongly.

Enjoy them.

-STEFAN-SUN_KING-