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Post by sunking on Mar 5, 2018 19:49:48 GMT -5
Hello.
Yes, I know what the Readme states and that the author is hardly to be reached. And yes, I understand that there is a point at which the real life has priority and enthusiasm for a hobby can decrease.
Nevertheless, I wanted to ask if it is known that if the initial authors can't or do not want to convert them to P3D v4 standards, the alternative could be letting someone else do it?
There are quite a lot of people who are asking, not only here, but elsewhere for the ability to use them in P3D v4.
Kind regards.
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Post by piper on Mar 1, 2019 20:26:06 GMT -5
I have just move from FS9 to P3dv4.
I'm looking for the same, AIM DC-10 compatible for P3dv4.
I think we should ask somebody else to do it.
Maybe someone share it from Alpha India.
Have you tried ?
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Post by noob21 on Mar 1, 2019 22:06:08 GMT -5
The AIM DC-10 is not allowed to be converted to P3Dv4 for public use without the express discretion of the members of AIM, the only active one of which is Jason and is a little... Protective to say the least...
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Post by Jason on Mar 1, 2019 23:09:39 GMT -5
The AIM DC-10 is not allowed to be converted to P3Dv4 for public use without the express discretion of the members of AIM, the only active one of which is Jason and is a little... Protective to say the least... Charles and I used to be open to new ideas, but all that changed when our paintkit was distributed without our permission. Everything we were working on came to a screeching halt and probably doesn't even exist any longer. In a nutshell, we were taken advantage of and it really pissed both of us off, especially Charles. So, to say I'm protective is an accurate statement, but I have a damn good reason. |
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Post by piper on Mar 2, 2019 4:19:34 GMT -5
What a pity it ends this way.
I was looking forward to convert all my 90's decade AI repaints traffic textures (BMP to DDS) to work out in P3Dv4.
However there's a good reason.
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Post by chasensfo on Mar 2, 2019 20:57:13 GMT -5
The AIM DC-10 is not allowed to be converted to P3Dv4 for public use without the express discretion of the members of AIM, the only active one of which is Jason and is a little... Protective to say the least... Jason has done a great deal for the hobby and shouldn't be spoken of negatively on this board. There are two sides to every story, please show respect. |
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Post by mikeblaze on Mar 5, 2019 11:38:16 GMT -5
I don't pipe in on other threads very often, almost never, actually, but I caught this one this morning, and have to offer my two cents worth (more like a quarter, lol). Over-protective? A guy makes a really nice model, and for his own reasons only entrusts the painting to two other people (who also have control of the paint kit). In my world that's exclusivity, and the absolute right of an artist. From the tone of some people I have dealt with in the past in my time spent supporting this hobby, exclusivity or copyright seems to have evolved into a slur of elitism and expectation thrown out by people grown used to a hobby where most everything is provided for free. The world doesn't spin around your freeware FS world? Get over it. Early in my painting career, I did a paint for Kirk Olsson's F-16 Viper, for the Indonesian Air Force. I used textures from another model and artist as a reference for my own camouflage pattern paint, but my hand was so steady when I free-painted my work, that the other artist cried foul that I had direct-used his textures, and I had to send him my PSD source to show cause that I had done original work (I'm not just that good, but I got lucky that day, lol..). Eventually he was satisfied, and I was allowed to re-upload my paint, which had been removed during this flap. I routinely use others' work as a reference, only to color-match when necessary. I've done this painting thing enough now that if I can't find source logos or images online in artwork or photographs, I can usually make what I need from scratch now. Respect others' work, and don't whine/plead/beg if there is a restriction on mostly free use. Copyrights. In this hobby, frankly IMHO, copyrights don't mean sh*t, especially ones associated with freeware work. This does not mean I do not respect or support them, I do up to my last breath. However, If somebody violates my copyright on my MPAI models (example), I would have to hire a attorney out-of-pocket, and prove to a judge, possibly in international court, that when I knowingly uploaded my (free) models with a merely-stated copyright restriction onto an open-access (free) internationally public website, without proper patents, incorporation, or actual legally-prepared and filed copyright documentation, that I had an expectation of protection under law for my intellectual property. Does reading this give you a headache? Just don't disrespect the copyright however stated, it's that simple. Using a blunt but relevant example, to offer a verbal or un-supported written copyright in a freeware public-use internet world is kind of like walking through a plague-infested house naked wearing only a condom and thinking you're safe. The best fix is to simply respect the huge efforts freely contributed by others, and respect their terms and conditions without reading into them or preaching your own version of ethics about how their terms of generosity should be re-defined to suit you. Moving on. I currently possess 158 paints for the AIM DC-10 series models in my FS world, and I know I don't have all of the ones Jason, Frank, and Charles painted. That didn't cost me a dime, and is an absolute testament to the love and dedication to the hobby that other people have. Have I privately painted any for my own use? No, because it is such a complex paint kit, I simply don't have the time. Have I converted any of the models privately for my own use? Absolutely, I converted the late freighter models to FSX-native so my Fedex traffic looks nice in P3Dv4. Will I share? Absolutely not, not even offline, because I respect the copyright, the labor, and the love that went into making those models for absolutely no cost to me. At one point several years ago, I was in direct contact with Charles, and was on the verge of getting the official paint kit and the blessing to run with it, when he suddenly disappeared from the hobby. If some bumbling, ignorant, disrespectful interloper like Jason has described caused that, you don't think I'm a little pissed off? Anyways, in closing, respect the hobby as a collective, respect the artist without public question, and get over not having everything you want in a mostly freeware environment. Painting and modeling are difficult, even if the talents come naturally to some people. I have been drawing and building model aircraft since I was four years old, so that part has evolved to serve me in the Photoshop world very well. Computer modeling, I have had a nightmarish love/hate relationship learning how to do, but my love for the hobby has driven me to learn and be moderately successful in that realm. If you have the talent to contribute, we thank you for your gifts. If you think you don't have the talent, tinker around with the various modeling and painting tools, you might surprise yourself. If you enjoy the work of others with no contribution whatsoever, be happy, be well, and be quiet, lol. My standard non-profane response is "It's freeware, whadda ya want, a refund?" And I didn't even drop an F-bomb, it would have been most appropriate in this post, pity for the filter, lol.  |
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Post by Jason on Mar 7, 2019 1:34:39 GMT -5
What HE said...
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Post by trident777 on Mar 7, 2019 11:19:22 GMT -5
This is not directed at any one individual, but I also agree with what Mike said. It's disrespectful, annoying, greedy, uncouth, obnoxious, ask for everything and offer nothing people, that made many past great designers and painters give up partaking in our great hobby. I'm talking about people such as Jason, Tim 'Piggy' Conrad, Mike Stone, Erick Cantu....and the list goes on. I especially miss the great work of Cantu, as his focus was on classic jetliners. These 'noisy' people need to be happy with all the great freeware that has been offered over the years and stop their incessant whining. In the past, I needed some repaints of rare liveries, or airlines that were under-represented in the FS websites, and I didn't go moaning about it, or pester repainters to paint them for me, I simply learned how to use Photoshop so I could have what I wanted. Even though I made many errors in the process of trying to attain perfection (which I haven't, and probably never will) I have greatly improved, and up to now I have repainted at least 200 airliners in the last year and a half, or so, and shared then with the community. As Mike said, "tinker around with the various modeling and painting tools, you might surprise yourself" - that's exactly what I did, maybe you should wisen up and do so too.
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Post by chrisP on Mar 7, 2019 21:15:45 GMT -5
For the record, I completely agree with Jason, Mike and trident777.
Locking this thread now.
Exit runway when able.
Christian
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Post by sunking on Mar 7, 2019 22:29:59 GMT -5
Initially I didn't want to reply due to the time that has passed since it was created and as alternatives in doy (=do it yourself) have come up. But, I feel a need to clarify some points: 1. I created this topic out of respect for the great freeware add ons and to ask kindly for a permission from the developer(s), who were or could have been active here. 2. It was done in order to have it manifested here for the others, that they could or could not attempt to use it in P3D v4, depending on the answers from the developer(s). I did contact or at least made attempts to establish contact... 3. Never did I either directly nor indirectly accuse anyone of being unfair. If so, I'm sorry and beg pardon to bear with me for not being native speaker. To put it very clear, I have a deep respect for other peoples creations and don't and will not violate copyright. Worst case is not having it. The world will still rotate and the sun will rise in the morning nevertheless.  You can search my files here or on avsim to see that in fact I did create some good dozen and always stated initial developers where required on a fair basis. I, too, would feel unwell seeing such accusations or copyright violations. I also appreciated and appreciate the creations of AIM, FAIB, AIA, ChrisP and to quote user Trident777 "Tim 'Piggy' Conrad, Mike Stone, Erick Cantu....and the list goes on". I grew with them, learned to use PSP and PS on the their creations and feel sad, but understand parallel the reasons behind now even better, that they retired. So I completely and totally agree with Jason and Mike and support their valid points in total. My reasons for why I retired are similar, plus lack of time and capacity to do both (high quality) repaints and flightplans as a one men show and meeting my expectations at the same time. I'm using "Global Traffic" by Justflight for now in P3D v4, which is the only sim that runs trouble free on win10. But I miss retro ai traffic quite a lot and do feel sad and sorry at times. Finally, apologies for the response post closure and tanks for letting me put in my thoughts. As said previously - topic closed. Kind regards. |
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